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What happened to Save As in Preview?

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  • Kurt Lang Level 7 Level 7 (31,485 points)
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    Jul 3, 2012 6:23 AM (in response to igmackenzie)

    igmackenzie,

     

    Please explain to everyone else why when they point out what to them is a detrimental change, no matter how civilly stated, your declare it a rant because you think any change Apple makes is perfect.

     

    Believe it or not, your singular point of view does not work for every other person on the planet.

  • softwater Level 5 Level 5 (5,370 points)
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    Jul 3, 2012 6:32 AM (in response to Kurt Lang)

    I'm curious as to where this idea that 'save as' will be different from...'save as' has come from?

     

    'Save as' - as someone else already pointed out - has always and only in every system I've ever used done the same thing. Given you the option to save a file under a different file name and in a different place.

     

    What else could it do, and still be called 'Save as'?

     

    I think somewhere there was a suggestion that 'Save as' in ML would be just 'Duplicate' by another name. That will not be the case. So what other way could it be "not 'Save as' as we know it"?

  • Kurt Lang Level 7 Level 7 (31,485 points)
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    Jul 3, 2012 6:35 AM (in response to softwater)

    I think somewhere there was a suggestion that 'Save as' in ML would be just 'Duplicate' by another name.

    That was me, just tossing it out there as a "what if". Since I was not a beta tester for ML, or ever downloaded the developer preview (I could have), I can do no more than guess. But no, it wouldn't make the least bit of sense for the resurrected Save As to do the same thing Duplicate does.

  • phansford Calculating status...
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    Jul 3, 2012 7:01 AM (in response to Kurt Lang)

    @ Kurt - Dead on analysis.

     

    As a power user, Lion has real issues. The lack of "Save As" is extremely detrimental.

     

    I seriously don't know how much clearer we can be about how power users utilize some of these basic features.

     

    ie: Writing specifications for an architectural project. We own a specification product that is edited in Pages (or Word). There is a Master copy of the each specification section (Hundreds of specification sections). Save Version actually changes the original document!!! Save As allows me to edit the master and "Save As" as a new file under the same name (which is important since Spec Sections have industry wide standardized names and numbers). I had a Master file changed yesterday - luckily I was able to revert the document, but nearly lost an important Master file. (Yes - we can certainly duplicate the Master file and then edit it.... but sometimes, you'll just open the Master, make a couple of edits and then "save as"....... that's all changed under Lion). Same with CAD files. Am I saving the file and its changes or losing data as I "save a version"?  Its crazy.

     

    Preview is a mess. Not being able to combine and save files (architectural drawings) to create a set of drawings is horrendeous. I am having to drop files into an older machine running 10.5.8 to make drawing sets, then transfer them back to my machine to email to clients, consultants and our printer. 

     

    The work-arounds add time to any task and are not intuitive. I make my living using this machine - it has to function in a business enviroment. I know I am not the only architect, graphic designer, landscape architect, industrial designer, or product designer using a Mac to make a living.

     

    End of rant  

  • FatMac\>MacPro Level 4 Level 4 (2,065 points)
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    Jul 3, 2012 8:10 AM (in response to softwater)

    softwater wrote:

     

    ...What else could it do, and still be called 'Save as'?...

    I dare say it could do pretty much anything and have whatever menu label you want assigned to it. Back in the days of ResEdit, you could change a menu item to read anything you wished without changing the underlying code that actually determined and controlled the action.

     

    I think there's  institutional memory at work here. I just checked Lotus Ami Pro running in a Windows 95 VM and Save As works exactly the way Inside Macintosh calls for. So does MS Word Pad. Both Microsoft and Apple settled on a Save As convention which has continued to this day (at least in Windows 8 which I just tested in Word Pad [and as does Text Editor in Ubuntu 12.04]). Both long-term Mac users and new Mac users recruited from the Dark Side are comfortable with the "Macintosh Way," at least until now.

  • softwater Level 5 Level 5 (5,370 points)
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    Jul 3, 2012 5:44 PM (in response to phansford)

    phansford wrote:

     

    Preview is a mess. Not being able to combine and save files (architectural drawings) to create a set of drawings is horrendeous. I am having to drop files into an older machine running 10.5.8 to make drawing sets, then transfer them back to my machine to email to clients, consultants and our printer. 

     

    The work-arounds add time to any task and are not intuitive.

     

    A faster workaround than dropping the files in an older machine it to get the productivity app PDF Toolkit. Allows you merge, split,compress and do other things in a simple interface. It was free in the app store recently, not sure if that offer is still going.

     

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  • phansford Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)
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    Jul 4, 2012 12:05 PM (in response to softwater)

    @ Softwater - Thanks. I know of PDF Toolkit (downloaded) and it will have to do since Preview has been neutered.

  • Apple User 0815 Calculating status...
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    Sep 28, 2012 12:01 AM (in response to phansford)

    Press the Option key and then click on the file menu.

     

    The "save as" option/fucntion will reappaer.

  • pss Level 2 Level 2 (160 points)
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    Sep 28, 2012 4:31 AM (in response to Apple User 0815)

    No such "save as" function appears when I press the option key and click on the file menu.  Just the same dysfunctional menu.  OSX 10.8.2

  • Király Level 6 Level 6 (9,460 points)
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    Sep 28, 2012 8:10 AM (in response to pss)

    Click the File menu first, and then hold down the option key. Duplicate should change to Save As.

  • Csound1 Level 7 Level 7 (32,320 points)
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    Sep 28, 2012 9:52 AM (in response to pss)

    pss wrote:

     

    No such "save as" function appears when I press the option key and click on the file menu.  Just the same dysfunctional menu.  OSX 10.8.2

    Do it again, hold option and click the menu, or click the menu and then press the option key, it works either way (10.8.x)

  • Tony T1 Level 6 Level 6 (8,125 points)
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    Sep 28, 2012 11:09 AM (in response to Csound1)

    What Cloud1 said:

     

    Also, you can use: ⌥⇧⌘S

     

     

     

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  • pss Level 2 Level 2 (160 points)
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    Sep 28, 2012 12:44 PM (in response to Tony T1)

    I have taken up just exporting.  I have only 10 fingers and no symbol on my keyboard that looks like an escalator.  This whole thing is getting very expert-friendly.

  • Tony T1 Level 6 Level 6 (8,125 points)
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    Sep 28, 2012 1:25 PM (in response to pss)

    ⌥ = option, so: option-shift-command-s (⌥⇧⌘S)

  • Csound1 Level 7 Level 7 (32,320 points)
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    Sep 28, 2012 1:28 PM (in response to pss)

    pss wrote:

     

    I have taken up just exporting.  I have only 10 fingers and no symbol on my keyboard that looks like an escalator.  This whole thing is getting very expert-friendly.

    Probably help if your read this: Mac 101

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