RustyQShackleford

Q: can't seem to locate Chubby Bunny

For those not up-to-date on the title, Chubby Bunny is a bundling of a program called SheepShaver, that allows one to run OS9 (and earlier) applications on an Intel machine.  SheepShaver is easily found, but installing it seems fairly complex, as it requires gathering a few other pieces of software such as a working OS9 (but no newer than 9.0) and boot-ROM code.  Chubby Bunny apparently makes all this very simple.  

 

There are the links all over the place for Chubby Bunny, but none of them seem to work anymore.   There are a bunch of "bit torrent" links (I dont really grok bit-torrent yet), but a more knowledgable friend told me that this won't work because there are no "seeds".      Does anyone know where the find this, or possibly willing to send me the ZIP ?

 

Thanks.

Posted on Jul 6, 2012 12:39 PM

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  • by varjak paw,Helpful

    varjak paw varjak paw Jul 6, 2012 12:51 PM in response to RustyQShackleford
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    Jul 6, 2012 12:51 PM in response to RustyQShackleford

    My guess is that it's been pulled from the various sites since the distribution of the ROM files and Mac OS 9 was a violation of Apple's copyrights and licensing, and Apple's lawyers probably cracked down on distribution. That's why Sheepshaver itself didn't distribute those files along with the application.

     

    You'll probably need Sheepshaver and a valid original copy of the Mac OS installer disk.

     

    Regards.

  • by RustyQShackleford,

    RustyQShackleford RustyQShackleford Jul 6, 2012 12:55 PM in response to varjak paw
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    Jul 6, 2012 12:55 PM in response to varjak paw

    Yeah, that's what I gathered.   Pure mean-ness on Apple's part, as best I can tell.   It's not like they offer a competing product anymore.

  • by petermac87,

    petermac87 petermac87 Jul 6, 2012 1:54 PM in response to RustyQShackleford
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    Jul 6, 2012 1:54 PM in response to RustyQShackleford

    RustyQShackleford wrote:

     

    Yeah, that's what I gathered.   Pure mean-ness on Apple's part, as best I can tell.   It's not like they offer a competing product anymore.

    Why not just buy an old G4 Mac with Leopard or Tiger and run OS9 or earlier  in classic mode? Probably get one cheaper than what Sheepwhatever was being licensed for. Apple don't have reason to offer a similar product as it simply does not support such outdated softwar, plus the demand is just not there. Windows will soon be the same by all reports.

     

    Cheers

     

    Pete

  • by RustyQShackleford,

    RustyQShackleford RustyQShackleford Jul 6, 2012 2:21 PM in response to petermac87
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    Jul 6, 2012 2:21 PM in response to petermac87

    Actually, I have an old G4, but I want to let my girlfriend have it - she's got some evil old PC POS :-(   Plus I don't really want to have to make space for a second tower.

     

    I think Sheepshaver is freeware.

     

    I understand Apple doesn't have reason to offer a similar product, and that's their right.   But I don't see why they need to harass people who are trying to make Sheepshaver easy to use - even though they have the right.

  • by petermac87,

    petermac87 petermac87 Jul 6, 2012 2:27 PM in response to RustyQShackleford
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    Jul 6, 2012 2:27 PM in response to RustyQShackleford

    RustyQShackleford wrote:

     

    Actually, I have an old G4, but I want to let my girlfriend have it - she's got some evil old PC POS :-(   Plus I don't really want to have to make space for a second tower.

     

    I think Sheepshaver is freeware.

     

    I understand Apple doesn't have reason to offer a similar product, and that's their right.   But I don't see why they need to harass people who are trying to make Sheepshaver easy to use - even though they have the right.

    Well actually they don't have the right, welcome to the Age of Computing and Legal Grey Areas. The world courts have never had to deal with Cyber Suits like they are having to do at the moment, and what is illegal or a breach of copyright one day can be appealed and given a reprieve the next. Although in the case of OSs such as OSX and Windows, the licensing laws are set out pretty clearly from their release. But who knows, tomorrow may bring about a similar third party program which does the same and is deemed as OK. We are in strange and uncertain times.

     

    Good to see you kept the old G4, they are still a great old workhorse. I have a Blue Dalmation still set up with Tiger and OS9 which I love to spend time renewing friendships with at times.

     

    Cheers

     

    Pete

  • by RustyQShackleford,

    RustyQShackleford RustyQShackleford Jul 6, 2012 2:43 PM in response to petermac87
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    Jul 6, 2012 2:43 PM in response to petermac87

    petermac87 wrote:

     

    Well actually they don't have the right,...

    As the second post in this thread said, I think the reason they can block ChubbyBunny (but not SheepShaver) is that the former includes OS9 and ROM code.  

  • by RustyQShackleford,

    RustyQShackleford RustyQShackleford Jul 30, 2012 3:38 PM in response to RustyQShackleford
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    Jul 30, 2012 3:38 PM in response to RustyQShackleford

    Finally managed to get ChubbyBunny.   Apparently the problem was that I was using Miro to access the torrent, and needed to use Vuze instead.   Who knew.

     

    Still have a problem, because the OS9 app I really wanted (ClarisDraw) does not seem to work under SheepShaver.   It can't even see it.

     

    In case any Apple lawyers are reading, I do have licenses to OS9 and the ROM code, via my old computer sitting in the corner.

  • by petermac87,

    petermac87 petermac87 Jul 30, 2012 4:59 PM in response to RustyQShackleford
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    Jul 30, 2012 4:59 PM in response to RustyQShackleford

    RustyQShackleford wrote:

     

    Finally managed to get ChubbyBunny.   Apparently the problem was that I was using Miro to access the torrent, and needed to use Vuze instead.   Who knew.

     

    Still have a problem, because the OS9 app I really wanted (ClarisDraw) does not seem to work under SheepShaver.   It can't even see it.

     

    In case any Apple lawyers are reading, I do have licenses to OS9 and the ROM code, via my old computer sitting in the corner.

    If you are downloading programs from Torrents, then no one here can help you.

     

    Sorry

     

    Pete

  • by varjak paw,

    varjak paw varjak paw Jul 31, 2012 6:39 AM in response to RustyQShackleford
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    Jul 31, 2012 6:39 AM in response to RustyQShackleford

    Lots of stuff doesn't work under SheepShaver. If Claris Draw is one of those, there's nothing you can do other than find an old Mac running Mac OS 9 and run Claris Draw on that. Or get a more current drawing package; there are a number of good ones available, if you don't need to open old Claris Draw documents.

     

    Regards.

  • by MlchaelLAX,

    MlchaelLAX MlchaelLAX Nov 18, 2012 11:49 AM in response to RustyQShackleford
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    Nov 18, 2012 11:49 AM in response to RustyQShackleford

    RustyQShackleford wrote:

     

    Finally managed to get ChubbyBunny.   Apparently the problem was that I was using Miro to access the torrent, and needed to use Vuze instead.   Who knew.

     

    Still have a problem, because the OS9 app I really wanted (ClarisDraw) does not seem to work under SheepShaver.   It can't even see it.

    Just came across your post, as I was researching SheepShaver for another reason...

     

    Which version of ClarisDraw are you having a problem with? How did you install it into Classic?

     

    I have had much success with SheepShaver, including Word Perfect, MORE, Quicken 2000, and older versions of America Online and Palm software...

     

    But I don't see why they [Apple] need[s] to harass people who are trying to make Sheepshaver easy to use - even though they have the right.

    They don't harass; you have examples?

  • by RustyQShackleford,

    RustyQShackleford RustyQShackleford Nov 18, 2012 12:15 PM in response to MlchaelLAX
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    Nov 18, 2012 12:15 PM in response to MlchaelLAX

    I believe it's version 1.0v3.    I am just trying run the executable I already had from when Classic mode was still supported (e.g. Tiger and earlier).   Someone (here ?) suggested re-installing it from within Sheepshaver, but I can't find my install CD.

     

    Meanwhile, I've found a program called Intaglio that seems as good or better than MacDraw/ClarisDraw (and can open those files).   I've only used the demo mode thus far, but it looks pretty nice and I believe I'll shell out the $89.   This was the only reason I really had left for wanting OS9 support.

     

    Harassing ?   Yes, Apple chose to discontinue OS9/Classic support.   Other people chose to make Sheepshaver available in an easy-to-use bundle, ChubbyBunny.   But it's very hard to locate, because of Apple going after its distribution because of license issues.   I understand Apple may have the right to do this, but what's the point ?

  • by MlchaelLAX,

    MlchaelLAX MlchaelLAX Nov 18, 2012 12:30 PM in response to RustyQShackleford
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    Nov 18, 2012 12:30 PM in response to RustyQShackleford

    Ah, yes: If you have found a modern software package that meets your needs, that is the better approach.  Roger Wilmut oftens suggests the full version of EasyDraw as an alternative, too; although maybe a bit pricey!

     

    So, your suggestion should really have been that Apple is harassing the distribution of Chubby Bunny, not SheepShaver and that is an important distinction.  The caretakers of SheepShaver go to great lengths to make sure they do not cross the line; and probably are more conservative that they need be.  But the result is an excellent product that meets a need.

     

    Just because something is hard to locate, does not mean it is impossible to locate...

     

    What is Apple's point?  Until Copyright laws are reformed to conform to the modern day ability to distribute older software electronically, they have the right to protect their intellectual property right interests.  However, I do not see them doing so, in this specific case, to the extent that you suggest. 

     

    At the very least, this forum is owned, run and heavily moderated by Apple, yet they have not deleted posts about Chubby Bunny.  I posit that if you do not rub their nose into a situation that does not economically threaten their current financial model, they will continue to look the other way for those very few who have a real need to run legacy software.

     

    If you have real world examples, other than "it is hard to locate," feel free to continue this discussion.  If not, let's not rub their nose into it...

  • by RustyQShackleford,

    RustyQShackleford RustyQShackleford Nov 18, 2012 12:54 PM in response to MlchaelLAX
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    Nov 18, 2012 12:54 PM in response to MlchaelLAX

    I try to avoid internet ******* contests, so I will not continue the discussion except to point out that just because something is legal, does not mean it is right, or at least that it's being respectful to one's loyal customers.

     

    You are right that I meant to say that it's COI, not Sheepshaver.

  • by MlchaelLAX,

    MlchaelLAX MlchaelLAX Nov 18, 2012 12:59 PM in response to RustyQShackleford
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    Nov 18, 2012 12:59 PM in response to RustyQShackleford

    What about "looking the other way" is disrespectful to their loyal customers?

     

    Did you notice your TITLE of this thread?

     

    Did you notice which FORUM you posted your thread?