Currently Being ModeratedJul 15, 2012 1:11 PM (in response to Mbelekete)
I looked at one in the store. It looked much better than anything that my 1680x1050 MBP display could show. And you really need to zoom both a hi-res 15 in and a Retina to see where the Retina really shines.
I suggest you go to the store and use your eyes, which will show a much better image thany any screenshot.
Currently Being ModeratedJul 15, 2012 2:02 PM (in response to steve359)
steve: in fact I've been in the store already, the screen looks gorgeous - though more glary that I would like it to be - but of course Logic Pro wasn't installed on it. Maybe I was unclear: when i said " I'm curious to see how it looks like "as is", see how legible it is" I meant I'd like to see how _Logic_ , not the retina screen, looks like, i.e. how usable Logic is on such a tiny screen... What use is to see 40 audio channels at once if the record buttons etc are so small that I have to fiddle no end with the mouse to switch them on ? That sort of thing...
Currently Being ModeratedJul 15, 2012 2:05 PM (in response to Mbelekete)
Agreed ... the Retina was described to me as only max 75% anti-glare.
Ask the store folk if Logic Pro can be added for a demonstration. Another poster took in software to a store and with the cooperation of store personnel came reasonably close to duplicating a working environment.
Think of it this way ... the worst they can do is to say "Sorry, no".
Currently Being ModeratedJul 16, 2012 4:38 AM (in response to Mbelekete)
A) Logic 9.1.7 is already Retina-compatible
B) Unless you really want it, you don't work in 2880 X 1800 resolution. You work in 1440 X 900 but in double resolution which makes everything nicer and more precise. That's the point of Retina. So screen dimensions are the same as a regular 15" MBP. Now, if you want to run in 2880 X 1800, you can set that in System Preferences but I don't see the point since everything is way too small to be usable.
Currently Being ModeratedJul 16, 2012 5:02 AM (in response to mlehmann)
mlehmann, you say
> Logic 9.1.7 is already Retina-compatible
> I don't see the point [in using Retina's 2880x1800 definition in Logic] since everything is way too small to be usable.
I thought that making an app retina compatible consisted in adapting the size of controls so that they would be usable on a high-def 15" screen. If not, in which way is Logic retina-compatible ?
I understad that you can reduce the retina display's definition to 1440x900 without any degradation since it just uses 4 pixels as one, but what about the 1920x1200 definition, is it usable with Logic ?
I wanted the shop to install Logic on their demo machine to let me test, but they say they don't have the right to do that. Intead they suggested that I come to the shop with Logic installed on an external HD. Trouble is, you can't install Logic on an external HD... so my only solution is to wait for existing users feedback
Currently Being ModeratedJul 16, 2012 7:21 AM (in response to Mbelekete)
Making a Retina-compatible app consists to make HiDPI graphics so the UI looks clean at 4X the resolution instead of the jagged graphics we get with a non-Retina-compatible. Just look at the Twitter app to see what I mean.
You could use the 1920 X 1200 definition but you better got very good eyes. On my old 17" with 1920 X 1200, it was already quite small (still usable but small).
I got the fastest MBP Retina and I can say it's faster than my 2011 17", which was already a fast machine. And the SSD makes everything faster, especially booting up and launching apps.
Currently Being ModeratedJul 16, 2012 2:04 PM (in response to Mike Connelly)
Mike, you're quite right, there's a lot of graphics that are still low-resolution. But Logic opens in hi-resolution mode (you can switch back to low-resolution mode if you want). And there's many things that are in HiRes, like text.
Look at ProTools for example to see the difference.
Currently Being ModeratedJul 17, 2012 6:46 AM (in response to Mike Connelly)
Indeed. But coming from Avid, it's not a surprise. They'll probably support Mountain Lion in 2013, 6 months after everybody. So I don't expect anything about Retina before a while.