HT1443: What is an OS X reference release?
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Jul 19, 2012 8:13 PM in response to masllorensby Limnos,With a G4 Leopard is it, assuming your computer even meets Leopard's system requirements:
Leopard 10.5 Technical Requirements - http://support.apple.com/kb/SP517
Get more information about your computer. Go to the Apple in the upper left corner of any window, then "About This Mac", then "More Info..." Copy and paste the information here, but omit the serial number and Hardware UUID (if present).
Also of interest:
List of Applications Not Compatible with Leopard - http://guides.macrumors.com/List:Applications_Not_Compatible_with_Leopard
Leopard is not easy to find, nor cheap.
Texas Mac Man, Leopard disc sources - https://discussions.apple.com/thread/3636662
"a brody" post about upgrading to Leopard - https://discussions.apple.com/thread/3373795
After all this if you are anticipating having to spend several hundred dollars to upgrade you might just consider jumping to a used Intel machine where you can get Snow Leopard for $29 if it doesn't already come with it.
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Jul 20, 2012 2:36 AM in response to masllorensby Neville Hillyer,Before the install
Ensure your data (at least all Home folders) is backed up before you install. Hard disks can fail at any time so it is important to regularly backup to an external disk with Time Machine or a third party alternative. Inexperienced users should follow Apple's install advice but experienced users may prefer to do a clean install.
OS numbers and names
OS X 10.4.x - Tiger
OS X 10.5.x - Leopard
OS X 10.6.x - Snow Leopard
OS X 10.7.x - Lion
OS X 10.8.x - Mountain Lion
More about Macs
The Apple History site has specifications for every Mac ever produced: http://www.apple-history.com
Upgrade to Leopard
Those wishing to upgrade to Leopard should be aware that install disks can be expensive unless you contact Apple. Details: http://lowendmac.com/deals/best-os-x-leopard-prices.html Standard Leopard installers impose several hardware limitations including speed and RAM size but all these restrictions can be overcome. Google for details. Leopard works well at 500 MHz with 1 GB of RAM and many happy users have less than this.
Upgrade beyond Leopard
OSs beyond OS X 10.5.8 require an Intel processor. If in doubt check this: Click the apple at the top left of your screen and select 'About this Mac'. This will give you your OS number. Then click 'More Info' to see which processor you have. If it says PowerPC you cannot upgrade to Snow Leopard and above. If you have an Intel Mac it is well worth upgrading to Snow Leopard now and then considering other options after that. You can buy Snow Leopard here: http://store.apple.com/us/product/MC573Z/A
Upgrade beyond Snow Leopard
Information about upgrading Snow Leopard to Lion or Mountain Lion: http://store.apple.com/us/product/MD256Z/A
Important
Check that your Mac complies with any requirements. If you are not in the US you should use the Change Country link at the bottom of Apple pages.
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Jul 20, 2012 11:03 AM in response to Neville Hillyerby Limnos,Neville Hillyer wrote:
Those wishing to upgrade to Leopard should be aware that install disks can be expensive unless you contact Apple.
But Apple doesn't stock retail Leopard any longer. I don't think you can even talk them out of a copy the way you could a few years back. The only sources are third party and yes, they will charge what the market will bear.
Important
Check that your Mac complies with any requirements. If you are not in the US you should use the Change Country link at the bottom of Apple pages.
If you're talking abut system requirements, yes. However, hardware requirements are going to be the same anywhere.
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Jul 20, 2012 11:58 AM in response to Limnosby Neville Hillyer,My understanding was that Apple will still supply a copy of an original lost disk for a nominal fee after checking the Mac's serial number. I assume these disks may be model specific although other sites imply they may not be - perhaps my wording on this point needs to be more circumspect.
Apple always used to keep a stock of non-model specific disks for volume license holders who were promised further disks for a nominal handling fee. For an example a public body may have Leopard limited Macs and wish to supplement their 1,000 off license originally delivered with one disk. I don't recall Apple ever saying there was a time limit on this service.
The 'important' notes were intended to be separate issues - I will change this.
Revised version below:
Before the install
Ensure your data (at least all Home folders) is backed up before you install. Hard disks can fail at any time so it is important to regularly backup to an external disk with Time Machine or a third party alternative. Inexperienced users should follow Apple's install advice but experienced users may prefer to do a clean install.
OS numbers and names
OS X 10.4.x - Tiger
OS X 10.5.x - Leopard
OS X 10.6.x - Snow Leopard
OS X 10.7.x - Lion
OS X 10.8.x - Mountain Lion
More about Macs
The Apple History site has specifications for every Mac ever produced: http://www.apple-history.com
Upgrade to Leopard
Those wishing to upgrade to Leopard should be aware that install disks can be expensive. Details: http://lowendmac.com/deals/best-os-x-leopard-prices.html Standard Leopard installers impose several hardware limitations including speed and RAM size but all these restrictions can be overcome. Google for details. Leopard works well at 500 MHz with 1 GB of RAM and many happy users have less than this.
Upgrade beyond Leopard
OSs beyond OS X 10.5.8 require an Intel processor. If in doubt click the apple at the top left of your screen and select 'About this Mac'. This will give you your OS number. Then click 'More Info' to see which processor you have. If it says PowerPC you cannot upgrade to Snow Leopard and above. If you have an Intel Mac it is well worth upgrading to Snow Leopard now and then considering other options after that. You can buy Snow Leopard here: http://store.apple.com/us/product/MC573Z/A
Upgrade beyond Snow Leopard
Information about upgrading Snow Leopard to Lion or Mountain Lion: http://store.apple.com/us/product/MD256Z/A
Important
- Check that your Mac complies with any requirements.
- If you are not in the US you should use the Change Country link at the bottom of Apple pages.
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Jul 20, 2012 12:39 PM in response to Neville Hillyerby Limnos,Yes, they do keep a limited backstock of model specific discs. Apple does consider anything older than 5 years as vintage and has discontinued any hardware support which could likely include accompanying installer discs unless they find a dusty set in the bottom of a drawer.
Vintage and obsolete products - http://support.apple.com/kb/HT1752
The big "however" in all this is the original post was about upgrading a G4 to Leopard, and one which required a retail Leopard discs. When Snow Leopard first came out Apple stopped selling Tiger. Still, you could still go to Apple and cry on their shoulder that you had a G4 that wasn't rated for Leopard and could they pretty please find you a set of retail Tiger discs for sale. That lasted a bit, then people started reporting back they couldn't find Tiger at Apple for neither love nor money. I can't speak for Apple but given that even Snow Leopard is but hours away from becoming third generation, I very much doubt they still have any retail copies of a system they stopped selling in the stores 3 years ago, especially one that was so heavily in demand. I read reports by posters of seeing Leopard selling for $150+ which suggests to me there isn't an old Apple retail price source left around.
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Jul 20, 2012 1:08 PM in response to masllorensby Texas Mac Man,Leopard is no longer available at the Apple Store but may be available by calling Apple Phone Sales @ 1-800-MY-APPLE (1-800-692-7753).
If you can't obtain a retail install DVD from Apple, look on eBay or Google the installer part numbers to possibly find at an on-line store. Here's what to look for:
MB427Z/A Leopard 10.5.1 install DVD
MB576Z/A Leopard 10.5.4 install DVD
MB021Z/A Leopard 10.5.6 install DVD (single user)
MB022Z/A Leopard 10.5.6 install DVD (5-user family pack)
Installing Mac OS X 10.5 Leopard
http://support.apple.com/kb/HT1544
Mac OS X 10.5 Leopard Installation and Setup Guide
http://manuals.info.apple.com/en/leopard_install-setup.pdf
After you install the base 10.5, download & install the 10.5.8 combo update at http://support.apple.com/downloads/Mac_OS_X_10_5_8_Combo_Update
The DVD should look like this
Caution - Leopard does not support classic mode. So, if you currently open OS 9 apps in classic mode, you won't be able to do this if you upgrade to Leopard.
Cheers, Tom
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Jul 20, 2012 1:37 PM in response to Texas Mac Manby Neville Hillyer,Leopard does not support classic mode. So, if you currently open OS 9 apps in classic mode, you won't be able to do this if you upgrade to Leopard.
My Leopard supports booting into OS 9.2.2 in many locations including the same partition as Leopard. My OS 9 supports booting into Leopard but it ignores all OS X security. Selecting OS via option at boot requires separate partitions.
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Jul 20, 2012 1:43 PM in response to Neville Hillyerby Limnos,"Classic" isn't the same as native booting to OS9. You are right about the G4 likely booting natively to OS9, TMM is right about OS9 as Classic not being available in Leopard.
