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Will Journals saved on iCloud remain after they're deleted on my iPad?

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Jezjezjez Calculating status...
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Mar 13, 2012 1:57 PM

I'm using iPhoto's at the moment and am having great fun with the Journals part of the app. However im not pleased with the image duplication which seems to be going on - but thats another thread!

 

Anyway, I've synced my first Journal to iCloud and everything works (mostly) fine.

 

However, my question is - if I delete the photos off my iPad (to save space), what happens to the Journal on iCloud? Will it sync with my iPad and therefore delete everything off there as well?

 

I presume not but I'm really not sure as there doesn't seem be any 'options' to change what iCloud does.

 

Cheers

 

Jez

iPad 2, iOS 5.1
  • sungyle Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    Good question.  Thank you for posting this.

     

    I have the same question in mind.  I hope somebody in Apple will look at this and give us some information. 

     

    Also, I wonder, where in iCloud are the journals kept?  It is certainly not in my icloud folders... so, where it is?

  • sjbissett Level 1 Level 1 (5 points)

    They will remain in iCloud as long as you don't delete the journal.  I remove most of my photos from the photos app once I create a journal and upload to iCloud.

  • BobbyLee Calculating status...

    will those photos in your journal still take up space on the iPad?  (even though the photos are in the photo library on the iPad)

     

    for example, does your iPhoto app (on iPad) cache the photos and thus having them take up space?

  • Portgordon Level 1 Level 1 (30 points)

    I've basically stopped using iPhoto until I can find an answer or solution to this problem. I started off creating lots of Journals as they were just the functionality I have been looking for. However, iPhoto on my iPad (16gb) is now consuming a massive amount of capacity as it is keeping a copy of all edited photos, and also all photos used in any Journal. I have no photos stored on my ipad (in the Photos app), yet iPhoto has GBs of photos within it (because they are used in Journals).

     

    The idea of journals for me is that I publish them to iCloud for others to see, and leave them online - I dont want them stored permanently on my iPad as then Im restricted in terms of storage space. Id be more than willing to buy more iCloud space to accommodate more journals online, but cannot justify a larger iPad at the moment (and dont believe we should have to).

     

    Once a journal is published to icloud you should be able to remove the local files and continue to add to it, edit it and also edit it from other devices in my opinion. But at the moment you cannot.

     

    Im going to take this up with Apple, as I want to continue using journals, but would have to start removing other apps to make space if I wanted to continue!

  • Portgordon Level 1 Level 1 (30 points)

    Appreciate that, but you havnt really solved the issue there, you've just understood what the problem is.

     

    I fully understand where photos should be deleted from - where everr they originated from on the ipad, be it Photos (ie camera role), or via an iTunes sync. However the fact that when you use a photo in a journal (regardless of its source), it cannot be removed from iPhoto until you delete the journal, just doesnt seem right to me.

  • SageAK Calculating status...

    I'm subscribing to this thread in the hopes an solution to Portgordon's thread will surface.  I was on an extended vacation packing my 32GB iPad and ran out of space 1/2 way into the trip.  I was unable to fig'r out how to get the iPhoto app below an inflated 20+GB as the app harbors duplicates of any photo used in the Journal. 

     

    I'm hearing jezjezjez explain a way to bring the published journal down from iCloud to the desktop via iTunes but when out-of-state on vacation that is not an option.  I'm hearing here too that if the Journal is deleted from the iPad that is synced to iCloud -it is deleted off of iCloud.  It'd be nice if there was some granular control with iCloud to archive a Journal and sever the umbilical cord from the iPad.  This way the Journal could be deleted from the iPad and the associated filespace freed up.

     

    I lost my entire Journal while showing a friend.  The iPad shut off mysteriously (plenty of battery remianing) and restarted automatically and the Journal was gone.  I had not synced to iCloud so it was a complete loss.  The inflated 20GB+ size of the iPhot app still remained.  When I updated to iOS 6 I set it up as a new device and didn't try to restore the old account / data.  The experience has made me gunshy of uploading content and deleting from the source (camera card) and has taught me to sync with iCloud immediately after spending hours of production on these Journals.

  • Portgordon Level 1 Level 1 (30 points)

    Sorry to hear you've had are having prolems SageAK, but I'm glad to see that I'm not alone!

     

    I've continued to use Journals (albeit a lot more hesitantly). I unfortunately didn't get a solution from Apple, other than uninstalling iPhoto which has the side effect of removing the data from the iPad but leaving the data in iCloud (but also has the side effect that the journals left in iCloud can never be editted again).

     

    I am still hopeful that they will fix this, as well as make journal creation possible in iPhoto on the Mac (then there wouldn't be any storage issues!). I'm also hopefull that they will take iPhoto a giant leap forward and iCloud the whole thing, so that faces / events etc.. metadata is available in the cloud and therefore synced accross all of your devices!

     

    But maybe I'm hoping for too much.

     

    Maybe I should abandon Journals and just upload all of my photos to Facebook

  • vburger Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

     

    The idea of journals for me is that I publish them to iCloud for others to see, and leave them online - I dont want them stored permanently on my iPad as then Im restricted in terms of storage space. Id be more than willing to buy more iCloud space to accommodate more journals online, but cannot justify a larger iPad at the moment (and dont believe we should have to).

     

    Once a journal is published to icloud you should be able to remove the local files and continue to add to it, edit it and also edit it from other devices in my opinion.

     

    But at the moment you cannot.

     

    Im going to take this up with Apple, as I want to continue using journals, but would have to start removing other apps to make space if I wanted to continue!

    I am glad I found your succinct statement of how one would expect the Journal option of iPhoto for iOS to function. There seems to be a great deal of confusion out there, even among Apple tech. support, as to the two main issues:

    1. In order to free space on the iPad, how to remove a completet Journal and its data from the iPad , while keeping it on iCloud?

     

    2. In case you want/need to re-edi/update the Journal, how to get it back onto the iPad to do the editing?

     

    In the months since you published this, have you been able to come closer to a solution?

     

    I learned it the hard way: I thought I could delete a completed Journal on the iPad and it would remain visible on iCloud, but that's not so, it's gone.  Thus I am puzzled by your experience below that uninstalling iPhoto will, of course, remove the data from the iPad, but will keep the Journal on the iCloud.

     

     

     

    I've continued to use Journals (albeit a lot more hesitantly). I unfortunately didn't get a solution from Apple, other than uninstalling iPhoto which has the side effect of removing the data from the iPad but leaving the data in iCloud (but also has the side effect that the journals left in iCloud can never be editted again).

     

     

     

     

    Fortunately I had saved the Journal to iCloud, and thus even was able to "re-load" this folder into the iPad (at least it shows up on in iTunes > Device > iPad > iPhoto > Data), but iPhoto on the iPad does not seem to recognize the re-imported folder.

     

    If you have any further insights I'd highly appreciate some more pointers/suggestions.

     

    Cheers from Austria

    Veit

  • Portgordon Level 1 Level 1 (30 points)

    2 years on and we're still in the same situation unfortunately :(

     

    Still no Journals for Mac OS.

    Still no updates to Journals for iOS.

    My journals which remain hosted by iCloud remain severed from my iOS devices and cannot be edited.

     

    The only thing which has changed really is that I've now parted with my 16GB iPad3 for a 64GB iPad Air and due to the extra capacity I am tempted to resume (or should I say start over) using iPhoto Journals again, but very reluctantly as I know I'll hit the same issues at some point in the future. I would have to recreate my original 7 page journal again, from scratch, in order to add the 8th page that I now wish to start. I had this in the back of my mind when deciding on a capacity of replacement iPad, which just isn't right.

     

    Before I do so, I am going to look into what is involved in loading the exported Journal files into iWeb and seeing how easy they are to maintain manually. The added hassle of having to be at a desktop, manually editing web forms, and manually uploading to web storage via FTP, basically tells me from the offset that I'm not going to be happy doing it that way.

     

    Does anyone know of any recent alternatives to iPhoto Journals which achieve a similar end result and are similarly as easy to use? I've yet to find any and still live in hope that Apple are going to update this feature in a big way.

  • léonie Level 8 Level 8 (46,355 points)

    Before I do so, I am going to look into what is involved in loading the exported Journal files into iWeb and seeing how easy they are to maintain manually.

    iWeb is great, but you cannot import webpages into iWeb. You will have to recreate your Journal in iWeb by copying and pasting the journal entries from the saved pages.

     

    And you will have to patch the iWeb application, to make the widgets on the  pages work without Mobile Me, see Old Toad's tutorial here:

            http://www.oldtoadstutorials.net/No.iW14.html

  • Portgordon Level 1 Level 1 (30 points)

    Ha! It just gets better, lol.

     

    Thanks léonie. I'll have a look at iWeb anyway, but I don't think I'll be using it for Journal recreation (unless like you say I decide to create it from scratch as a new site). One of the big draws of Journals was the instant creation / update capability, which I would complete lose if relying on iWeb on OS X. i.e. I can create the media (photo & video) on my iPhone, send them to my iPad (automatically via Photostream or now via AirDrop) and work on them in iPhoto.  Ideally the journals would be device agnostic so we could edit and update from any device with the same ID although we all know thats not the case at the moment.

     

    Thanks for the Tutorial!

  • léonie Level 8 Level 8 (46,355 points)

    Ideally the journals would be device agnostic so we could edit and update from any device with the same ID although we all know thats not the case at the moment.

    I am using shared Photo Streams to publish photo pages. I can add to the Stream from any of my Macs, as well as from the iDevices.

    And I link these published Photo Stream pages to text pages I create with iWeb.

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