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  • 105. Re: Where did RSS go in Safari 6???
    s4lex Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    This major functionality downgrade makes Safari 6 unusable for me. I've sent them feedback and will hope for the best. I won't be upgrading to the new OS X on my 2 work Macs or 3 home Macs if this is how they treat their loyal customers that helped make Safari a top ranked browser. I hope they don't break this in Safari for the iOS devices.

     

    Is this another sign of Apple's software development organization turning into another Microsoft/IBM?!? RSS is real -- Twitter is still a toy.

  • 106. Re: Where did RSS go in Safari 6???
    nybe Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    On a side note the large tab bars are just stupid looking.

     

    Overall Safari 6 feels like a HUGE step backwards.

    yeah it feels like they're trying to make it simpler, but they've only succeeded in making it dumber. The new wide tabs are not only aesthetically less pleasing but less functional as well.

  • 107. Re: Where did RSS go in Safari 6???
    David Schwab Level 1 Level 1 (110 points)

    I was really shocked by this too. I keep my RSS links in the Bookmarks Bar, so I could se when there was something new. So when I wasn't getting any updates, I clicked on one, and Safari offered to open it in Opera!

     

    It also said I should look for an RSS reader in the App Store. So I did. What I ended up with was the free NetNewsWire. I actually kind of like it now. I see my list of RSS feeds (only nine at the moment) and it shows how many have new posts. You can view them right in the app too.

     

    So, not as elegant as Safari was, but very usable. Because I still had the links in Safari, clicking on them added them right to NNW. Same thing with new RSS links.

     

    Now the thing that bothers me even more is not being able to change fonts in Safari!

     

    But I have to say, I would not go back to Safari 5, because it was so **** slow. Safari 6 is really fast. I can live with reading my RSS feeds in NNW.

     

    I also sent Apple feedback. I have a feeling that they rewrote Safari and just didn't bother to put some features back in. This is not the first time they have done that with OS X. So maybe it will come back. Having said that, I think their idea is for people to use the Notification Center for RSS, with supportive apps.

     

    For me the Notification Center is not working al the time. But that's another subject.

  • 108. Re: Where did RSS go in Safari 6???
    Glen M Level 2 Level 2 (270 points)

    I've had a chance to calm down a bit, and I gave it some more thought.

     

    First, "Bidge" is absolutely right. This sudden and irrational move, as well as many others in the past few months, severely damages Apple's decades of growing and unquestionable trust.

     

    Second, I have many physically and mentally disabled friends and they love the Mac for all it does and doesn't do. For nearly everything in day-to-day operations, Macs require much fewer mouse-clicks than the equivalent function on a MS Windows PC. In many cases, the Mac does things not even possible on MS Windows. This is especially true in setting up special scripts and custom apps via Automator.

     

    Using an RSS reader integrated into the browser made learning about news and events invaluable and very easy, especially for those that find it awkward and difficult to just click from one site to another, and especially for my blind friend that had Safari set up to read the RSS listings aloud. Having a British mother, hearing the "Daniel" voice for the first time in Lion read the BBC RSS made him cry. Now, they are all forced to download RSS Owl. Even with its steep learning curve (try figuring it out blindfolded), it still requires at least 4 times the mouse-clicks and about 5 extra minutes of struggling to do something that required only 1 click.

     

    True, Apple added some functionality to the Universal Access, but pulling RSS completely is callously removing other vital functionality.

     

    To the Apple staff, put on a blindfold and mittens for a whole week, THEN try to read your daily email and favorite news, get Olympic stats, and email your parents a photo of yourself. Go ahead. I dare you!

     

    At the very, very, least make older functions an option in preferences. On this point, I am very surprised Apple hasn't already created a list of Pre-set Universal Access Preferences that can turn on/off a wide range of app presets based on certain disabilities, rather than forcing them to go through each one. For example, all blind people have a very similar baseline set of settings, so a preset could simultaneously turn on Voice Alerts, Voice Over, Keyboard Sounds, etc. I suppose it would be a dumb idea to have the Mac ask the user verbally when it asks for the new user's time zone and country. From there, they just need to tweak a few settings to customize it. This would also apply to app and OS upgrades, and the Mac could display/announce what settings were added and changed to make their life easier based on their pre-set choice.

     

    If nothing else, DEFINITELY announce when you MOVE the Universal Access icon! If you're blind, it's like a stranger breaking into your house rearranging the furniture. What totally heartless person does that and doesn't announce it the first time the blind person re-enters?!

     

    I'm not ignorant to the world of commerce and I am well aware that decisions must be based on profit, and that a 60-year-old blind woman doesn't have nearly the profit potential of a thousand 14-year-old girls Tweating about Justin Bieber. But, come on, place a micron of humanity above a few dollars of profit.

     

    I have absolutely no doubt Apple's heart stopped beating the same moment Steve's did. Apparently now, also gone with him went our trust.

  • 109. Re: Where did RSS go in Safari 6???
    DA:MAC Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    The small glimmer of hope I'm holding on to? The backtrack of Safari 4's tabs on top…

  • 110. Re: Where did RSS go in Safari 6???
    David Schwab Level 1 Level 1 (110 points)

    Glen M wrote:

     

    Using an RSS reader integrated into the browser made learning about news and events invaluable and very easy, especially for those that find it awkward and difficult to just click from one site to another, and especially for my blind friend that had Safari set up to read the RSS listings aloud. Having a British mother, hearing the "Daniel" voice for the first time in Lion read the BBC RSS made him cry. Now, they are all forced to download RSS Owl. Even with its steep learning curve (try figuring it out blindfolded), it still requires at least 4 times the mouse-clicks and about 5 extra minutes of struggling to do something that required only 1 click.

     

    Now I don't know about the text to speech part, and whether or not that's universal, but I have to say that after using a dedicated RSS reader for the past couple of days (first NetNewsWire, and just now Vienna), I find they are actually easier and more enjoyable to use than reading the feeds in Safari.

     

    Your list of feeds is on the left hand side. You can see them all at once. In Safari I had some visible in the bookmarks bar, but some where in bookmarks menus I had to go searching for. Now I see them all. 

     

    When you click on a feed you see the list of articles. Click on an article and you can read it right in the viewer, since it serves as a web browser. It's very similar to Mail, Outlook, or even iTunes in its layout.

     

    Both readers show how many articles you have in the Dock icon, and Vienna also has a menu bar item.

     

    So after having read RSS feeds in Safari for a number of years, and now using these, especially Vienna, I wouldn't even bother reading them in Safari again. IMO this is a nicer experience. It's more Mac-like to me than the way Safari handled it. I'm guessing Apple thought so too?

     

    So while I was initially annoyed, I don't care now. 

  • 111. Re: Where did RSS go in Safari 6???
    Allan Eckert Level 8 Level 8 (41,525 points)

    I had the same impression of Vienna RSS. Why did I put up with the way Safari was doing RSS when I could have been using this one all this time.

     

    Allan

  • 112. Re: Where did RSS go in Safari 6???
    4wight Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    Why is it that people who recommend Vienna fail to understand a simple and plain fact that everyone else is complaining about: we don't want a separate RSS reader that interacts with Safari, we want the simple, integrated functionality that Safari had before it was stupidly and arrogantly ripped out by Apple?  

     

    If Vienna works for you, then fine - go and start a discussion about Vienna and how wonderful you think it is. For the rest of us who were really happy with with way Safari handled RSS feeds and who used it every day, your comments are just irritating and beside the point. It doesn't matter if Vienna does or doesn't do the job for you - that has no relation to what we are talking about here - Apple's mindless and arrogant decision to remove a feature from its browser that many people relied on and used every day.

  • 113. Re: Where did RSS go in Safari 6???
    Allan Eckert Level 8 Level 8 (41,525 points)

    ...and your whining and moaning here is going to change Apple's mind.

     

    I think NOT so you are going to have to learn to live with what you have.

     

    There does that make you feel better now.

     

    Allan

  • 114. Re: Where did RSS go in Safari 6???
    4wight Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    Better to whine and moan about something that you genuinely feel has been wrongly taken away from you than be a smug arrogant *****.

  • 115. Re: Where did RSS go in Safari 6???
    etresoft Level 7 Level 7 (24,270 points)

    This is a user-to-user support forum. Just about the only thing we, as other Apple users, can't do is force Apple to change Safari. We can suggest official Apple feedback links. We can suggest alternative browsers and RSS readers. We can't do any more.

  • 116. Re: Where did RSS go in Safari 6???
    David Schwab Level 1 Level 1 (110 points)

    4wight wrote:

     

    Why is it that people who recommend Vienna fail to understand a simple and plain fact that everyone else is complaining about: we don't want a separate RSS reader that interacts with Safari, we want the simple, integrated functionality that Safari had before it was stupidly and arrogantly ripped out by Apple?

    Because some of us know how to let go of something and move on?  Apple killed off the floppy disk. Apple has been killing off optical disks in new models, now Apple has killed off RSS in Safari and Mail. It's over. They didn't change their minds on the rest, and I doubt they will with this.

     

    But it turned out not to be a bad thing after all. Using a separate RSS reader is like using a separate application for mail and web. This is as simple, if not more so. Now I see I have new posts in my feeds by looking at the menu bar. Cool! Even if I don't have Safari running. Safari didn't do that.

     

    I didn't come here to complain, but to see how others felt. What I found was a very nice RSS reader. Safari was my introduction to RSS. I never tried it any other way. So now Apple forced me to use something better.

  • 117. Re: Where did RSS go in Safari 6???
    Mat Pridham1 Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    Actually, Apple has fixed and prioritized all kinds of software updates because of how many users complained on the forum.

     

    Squeaky wheel gets the grease, after all.

  • 118. Re: Where did RSS go in Safari 6???
    nybe Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    ha... just noticed there's an RSS icon at the top of these discussions so you can "follow the feed" of this topic... real funny Apple.

  • 119. Re: Where did RSS go in Safari 6???
    David Schwab Level 1 Level 1 (110 points)

    nybe wrote:

     

    ha... just noticed there's an RSS icon at the top of these discussions so you can "follow the feed" of this topic... real funny Apple.

     

    That did not go unnoticed by me either. Apple had quite a number of RSS feeds that came with Safari.

     

    Things like this always made me think that Mr J was having a bad day and got p!ssed about something. I liked that about him. That emotion made things happen. Lets hope Mr C carries on in the same insane(ly good) fashion.  But sometimes we ended up with this situation. In the end it was always better. Apple does not seem to take breaking things lightly. There's always some reason behind it.

     

    The non floppy drive original iMac created a cottage industry making blue and white USB drives and devices. Even my clothes iron and can opener at the time was blue and white! Apple makes big impacts like that. So what are they trying to introduce us to? They do have a "we know better than you" attitude at times.

     

    It might also have been a last minute technical issue, or preparation for a new widget. I think it's to make 3rd party devs write RSS reads that will interface with the Notification Center. That's my gut feeling, and was the moment Safari told me to look in the App Store.

     

    Still, this annoyed the heck out of me for about an hour. I look for other solutions, like using the Quickstyle extension for Safari to create on the fly CSS settings for sites that Safari 6 sent to Times font h3ll. Annoying, but Safari 6 is fast!

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