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How do you monitor Xserve 2009 with Mountain?

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Strontium90 Level 4 Level 4 (2,895 points)
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Aug 2, 2012 2:41 PM

So, messing around a bit with Mountain Lion on my 2009 Xserve. 

 

How do I monitor the hardware?  Server Monitor appears to be gone and trying to use the version from Lion is a no go.

 

This unit has Lights Out Management.  Aside from the IPMITool, how can I modify/configure LOM?

 

It would be nice to be able to monitor the hardware.

 

Boy, it is like Apple doesn't want to have servers or something..................................................

 

Um, so where is ipmitool?  Not in /usr/bin and not in the Server.app app bundle.

  • iToaster Level 3 Level 3 (560 points)
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    Aug 4, 2012 5:08 AM (in response to Strontium90)

    Strontium90 wrote:

     

    Boy, it is like Apple doesn't want to have servers or something..................................................

     

    I think we are fast becoming nothing more than a nuance to Apple, the only servers they want us to use are their own, not our own. we don't fit in this consumer device driven world and will soon be a distant memory

  • platinum1 Calculating status...
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    Aug 8, 2012 8:07 PM (in response to iToaster)

    Needless to say, not everyone is willing to store their data in iCloud or any cloud for that matter...

  • samgtz Calculating status...
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    Aug 31, 2012 4:02 PM (in response to Strontium90)

    Today I called Apple and simply they told me "Sir, I recommend that you downgrade to 10.6" I am so dissapointed with this company. They really dont care anymore!!!! Welcome to the dark ages!!!!

  • larryfi Calculating status...
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    Sep 5, 2012 2:53 AM (in response to samgtz)

    That's because 10.6 actually works...

  • Ralph Parker Calculating status...
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    Sep 20, 2012 6:41 AM (in response to Strontium90)

    I am still on Snow Leopard Server and may need to upgrade to Mountain Lion (because of other apps that only run on ML), and was faced with the same concern of losing my ability to monitor my Xserve using Server Monitor.

    I found a nice little app for my iPhone and iPad called "IPMI touch" that has a nice, clean GUI that gives me the same info that Server Monitor provides and the ability to do a remote reboot/Power Off/Power ON.

     

    I would like to know if you have tried IPMITool in Mountain Lion, (which provided all the relevant info that Server Monitor did but in a non-gui, Terminal display), and also, if anyone has tried IPMI Touch in Mountain Lion.

     

    Lastly, has anyone found a GUI for actually CONFIGURING their LOM port? (IPMI touch doesn't do that—it just gives monitoring. And I am not a CLI expert...

     

    Thanks.

  • Brian Dieckman Calculating status...
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    Sep 20, 2012 2:03 PM (in response to Strontium90)

    The server management tools that ship with Mountain Lion are designed to administer Mountain Lion Server and are not currently backwards compatible. If you are not upgrading your servers to Mountain Lion Server (Don't) then you'll need to keep a Snow Leopard install around somewhere to admin those servers.

     

    The LOM port has to be configured manually. There is no remote management tool to do that. Remote into your server, open Server Monitor and click Server -> Configure Local Machine.

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    Sep 20, 2012 2:18 PM (in response to Brian Dieckman)

    Brian, are you saying that LOM works in Mountain Lion Server?  I had understood that it does not.  Please clarify for me if you could.  Thanks!

  • Brian Dieckman Level 1 Level 1 (50 points)
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    Sep 20, 2012 2:46 PM (in response to Some Dude)

    Mountain Lion Server does not, as of yet, support LOM on the XServe hardware.

     

    I misunderstood Strontium90's question to be whether or not he could manage an XServe from a Mountain Lion client. (Which is also not possible unless the server is running Mountain Lion Server) I assumed his XServe is running Snow Leopard Server.

     

    Don't count this capability out just yet. I wouldn't be surprised to see an update that enabled LOM on XServe hardware.

  • Some Dude Level 1 Level 1 (55 points)
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    Sep 20, 2012 3:02 PM (in response to Brian Dieckman)

    No worries, thanks for the response. I hope you're right, that they add LOM in ML Server, and while they're at it, they need to fix LACP NIC bonding, as it's badly broken in 10.8.x.  The irony is that they're incompatible with each other - that is, you cannot ever use LOM with bonded NIC's.  It's one or the other, never both at the same time. Nevertheless, there's no excuse for Apple not having these options available, and working, in 10.8.2, and yet, they are still "no workie". 

  • iToaster Level 3 Level 3 (560 points)
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    Sep 21, 2012 7:00 PM (in response to Ralph Parker)

    What settings did you use on 10.6 server

    I just tried the free version of IPMI and couldn't get it to connect

     

    Cheers

  • Ralph Parker Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)
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    Sep 21, 2012 7:55 PM (in response to iToaster)

    IToaster,

    Try using the IPMI v2.0 icts protocol and the SHA1 cipher settings.

  • Ralph Parker Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)
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    Sep 21, 2012 8:17 PM (in response to Brian Dieckman)

    Brian, I hope I'm not whipping a dead mule here, but I want to be sure of what you're saying. Once one upgrades his Xserve to ML,  are you saying there is no way at all to configure the LOM port or monitor the sensors? Does IPMITool disappear from the installation in ML, and if so, is there any way to install it after the fact, or does ML simply not support or recognize the LOM port/board?

     

    I apologize for the seemingly rapid-fire of questions, but if I understand the answer to these, I should be able to make an educated decision regarding updating to ML or not.

     

    Thanks very much.

  • Brian Dieckman Level 1 Level 1 (50 points)
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    Sep 22, 2012 9:33 AM (in response to Ralph Parker)

    http://support.apple.com/kb/HT1822?viewlocale=en_US&locale=en_US

     

    That article doesn't specifically mention Server Admin, but has an overview of server management tools. You'll notice if you upgrade from Lion Server or Snow Leopard Server that the admin tools are moved to the "Incompatible Software" folder.

     

    If you did a clean install, however, that would not be the case and the software is simply missing.

     

    I haven't found a document yet that specifically states "No, Mountain Lion Server does not support the Lights Out Management feature of the Xserve hardware" which leads me to believe they're either working on it or have plans to release some kind of Java tool (similar to RAID Admin) that is "universal" in nature.

     

    Or not. You never know with Apple!

  • Brian Dieckman Level 1 Level 1 (50 points)
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    Sep 22, 2012 9:46 AM (in response to Brian Dieckman)

    Just a note about Apple documents; It's important to reccognize that what Apple doesn't say is just as important as what it does say. For instance, in that article it simiply states "To administer OS X Server on Mountain Lion, use Server app version 2 or later on OS X Mountain Lion."

     

    Not only does that statement say what you use to administer, it also says what you can't use. (Any other version of any other management software.)

     

    This seems counter-intuitive to anyone who has used RAC or LOM on other Intel hardware because they understand that RAC/LOM is a firmware or hardware feature and really has very little to do with the OS. Dell, for instance, has a completely seperate PCI card that serves this function with its own network interface, power supply, etc. These methods of remote access simply don't care about the host OS or whether or not the host even has an OS.

     

    This seems to be the case with Apple Xserves, though the NIC is shared, of course; there is apparently a third-party tool that will get to the LOM features of the Xserve, though I've never used it myself. (See above) So the defficiency in this case appears to be the management software itself. The "Server Monitor" app isn't compatible in some way with Mountain Lion and they didn't integrate that functionality into the "Server" app so it's broken.

     

    Though if that were the case, you would be able to use Server Monitor on a Snow Leopard machine to access the LOM on an Xserve running Mountain Lion Server but you can't. So the Host OS must be doing something hinky there. (I vaguely remember an issue with NIC binding in Lion... I think it had something to do with LCAP?)

     

    Anyway, it's just not working right now... I upgraded some workstations to Lion but haven't pulled the trigger on Mountain Lion yet and I won't be upgrading the servers past Snow Leopard Server any time soon... In fact I need to track down a few serial numbers before they're all gone!

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