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  • malekia Level 1 Level 1 (45 points)
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    Aug 2, 2012 10:29 AM (in response to Richard Olpin)

    There are a few other discussions regarding the loss of RSS feeds in Mail -- this one can tell you where to find an archived "list" of your old feeds:

    https://discussions.apple.com/thread/4136268?start=0&tstart=0

     

    It's a huge pain, but I did manage to find the addresses for all my feeds & add them to a standalone RDD reader.

    Reading them in Mail was ever so much easier.

  • erebos Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)
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    Aug 2, 2012 10:46 AM (in response to s4lex)

    s4lex wrote:

     

    Apple with Steve Jobs at the reigns changed my life (Apple IIe, original Mac and desktop GUI, HyperCard, original OS X, original iPhone, dissing Adobe Flash). Apple sparked and enabled my tech career that paid off big so I own homes in a couple of the nicest towns in the world, travel with my family whenever and wherever I want, and can donate money and time to local and global charities. Thanks to Steve Jobs, the Woz and the other disruptive doers at Apple 1976-2010 for that!

     

    I hope that Apple post-Jobs doesn't entirely go the way of other disruptive tech companies before them like IBM, Microsoft and Google -- turning into a sugar water reseller (e.g. Bieber iTunes downloads and Angry Bird apps). Will someone growing up in this new Socially Popular Apple decade leverage them to strike it rich (e.g. Angry Birds creator) -- sure!

     

    For us middle aged nutters who dig RSS, RDF, etc... I guess there's still Canonical with their Ubuntu Linux distro if this trend continues to rot the Unix ethos of the original OS X -- just will miss the days of Jobs when I'm running OS X 11 on a VM alongside my Windows VMs, on an Ubuntu DIY laptop...

     

    Apple's entire resurgance was built on "sugar water". In fact, the original iMac was designed to specifically look like it came out of a candy shop. The Unix ethos you speak about never existed at Apple until Apple built a business selling "sugar water" to the masses. The genius of Steve Jobs was that he wanted something like what you want, but he understood that the world changes, and the company had to change with it! You can't just market and sell to professionals, get a clue folks! You're buying the worlds most valuable company's products, it's a miracle that they sell something geared toward a professional at all.

  • erebos Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)
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    Aug 2, 2012 10:56 AM (in response to neil456)

    neil456 wrote:

     

    If you want to let the internet be optimized for teenagers and followers, then fine....

     

    Dude, if you think it's me that decided this is how it should be...

     

    I think it's all a mindset thing and a learning thing. We just started sharing in the past 3 years. Hard to imagine isn't it? It went from nothing to everything in 3 years. Its been largely an insane cluster in that time, but I assure you it is working itself out. Yeah, people are burned out because a lot of the usage was pure obsession, now it die will down and the population will evolve... FB is not the only social network.

  • s4lex Calculating status...
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    Aug 2, 2012 11:36 AM (in response to erebos)

    erebos wrote:

    Apple's entire resurgance was built on "sugar water". In fact, the original iMac was designed to specifically look like it came out of a candy shop. The Unix ethos you speak about never existed at Apple until Apple built a business selling "sugar water" to the masses. The genius of Steve Jobs was that he wanted something like what you want, but he understood that the world changes, and the company had to change with it! You can't just market and sell to professionals, get a clue folks! You're buying the worlds most valuable company's products, it's a miracle that they sell something geared toward a professional at all.

     

    I would respectfully disagree on almost all of your points. IMHO, Apple's entire resurgance was built on better technology than that of Microsoft and their other OS competitors. Let's not forget NeXT -- another little Jobs disruption. Did you know that your iGadget is probably running on a derivative of Unix (not PHP or Javascript like Facebook and most social apps). Apple purchased NeXT in 1996 and didn't come out with the iMac until 1998. It took awhile for the forward thinking NeXT/Unix folks to override the clueless OS 9/Classic developers, but they got the job done while Steve was in power and healthy.

     

    You are partly correct if you intended to say the resurgance "was funded by selling sugar water" The original iMac was a Hello Kitty toy computer that sold well to those driven by fashion trends -- but a joke for software developers working on real problems. I didn't switch from a ThinkPad dual booting Windows XP Pro and CentOS until the G4 laptops and G5 towers became available.

     

    As for us fans of the simply beautiful RSS functionality in Safari 5 being "clueless" -- some further clarifications. Firstly, I have the luxury of working on projects that instrinsically motivate me. So I choose open source and open data where the truly clueless consumers of toys and sugar water are a secondary consideration. Some of my friends (many far smarter than I) were not lucky in startups or investing (thanks Steve and iGadget buyers for taking my truckload of $50 shares to $500+ ) -- so they have to work on closed source. You would think based on your assertion that there is no money to be had in selling to mere professionals, but some of my extrinsically motivated coder friends bringing home six-figure salaries for companies like Oracle, EMC and Salesforce.com would disagree.

  • s4lex Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)
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    Aug 2, 2012 11:26 AM (in response to erebos)

    erebos wrote:

     

    I think it's all a mindset thing and a learning thing. We just started sharing in the past 3 years. Hard to imagine isn't it? It went from nothing to everything in 3 years. Its been largely an insane cluster in that time, but I assure you it is working itself out. Yeah, people are burned out because a lot of the usage was pure obsession, now it die will down and the population will evolve... FB is not the only social network.

     

    I disagreed with you in my last reply, but you make good points here. Again this thread has meandered and become a bit Absurd, but that's my philosophical view of the world so at least this thread is logically consistent

  • erebos Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)
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    Aug 2, 2012 11:51 AM (in response to s4lex)

    s4lex wrote:

     

    You are partly correct if you intended to say the resurgance "was funded by selling sugar water" The original iMac was a Hello Kitty toy computer that sold well to those driven by fashion trends -- but a joke for software developers working on real problems. I didn't switch from a ThinkPad dual booting Windows XP Pro and CentOS until the G4 laptops and G5 towers became available.

     

    As for us fans of the simply beautiful RSS functionality in Safari 5 being "clueless" -- some further clarifications. Firstly, I have the luxury of working on projects that instrinsically motivate me. So I choose open source and open data where the truly clueless consumers of toys and sugar water are a secondary consideration. Some of my friends (many far smarter than I) were not lucky in startups or investing (thanks Steve and iGadget buyers for taking my truckload of $50 shares to $500+ ) -- so they have to work on closed source. You would think based on your assertion that there is no money to be had in selling to mere professionals, but some of my coder friends bringing home six-figure salaries for companies like Oracle, EMC and Salesforce.com would disagree.

     

    Yes, I basically meant that it was funded, but what's the difference really?

     

    Steve was all about usability and making things simpler, ie. making them accessible to the masses. Apple IS a mass market company and they're positioning themselves to continue being mass market.

     

    Yes pro's have money, they buy Mac's. But there's a LONG list of hardware makers who went under or just gave up. SGI was stomped. IBM gave up. HP almost gave up. RIM is getting crushed, Nokia will be crushed. Remember 3dfx? Crushed to bits. Though they live on through Nvidia's continued use of SLI which they aqcuired when they bought the smashed pieces of 3dfx. There were a few pro graphics card makers who had their own chips and those were all hammered to smithereens. They finally adopted Nvidia or Ati chips until they faded away to nothingness.

     

    Basically what the market has already determined is that if you can make hardware that works for today's consumers, you automatically make hardware that works for pro's.

     

    RSS is done. It's single ended. The feed goes out and nothing comes back. No share, like, re-tweet, or even forward. It's a digital Readers Digest, it's TOAST!

  • Larry Goldman Level 1 Level 1 (5 points)
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    Aug 2, 2012 2:59 PM (in response to erebos)

    erebos wrote:

     

    RSS is done. It's single ended. The feed goes out and nothing comes back. No share, like, re-tweet, or even forward. It's a digital Readers Digest, it's TOAST!

     

    Yes, RSS is a digital summary - a digest - of articles I might consider reading. Why is something useful like that "toast"?

  • erebos Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)
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    Aug 2, 2012 3:26 PM (in response to Larry Goldman)

    So you want Apple to go bankrupt because you find RSS useful?

     

    "The Reader's Digest Association, Inc. (RDA), became a publicly traded corporation in 1990. As of 2010 RDA has reported a net loss each year since 2005."

  • Larry Goldman Level 1 Level 1 (5 points)
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    Aug 2, 2012 4:08 PM (in response to erebos)

    erebos wrote:

     

    So you want Apple to go bankrupt because you find RSS useful?

     

     

    On the contratry, Apple goes bankrupt if they alienate enough of their customers by eliminiating useful features like RSS.

  • s4lex Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)
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    Aug 2, 2012 4:57 PM (in response to erebos)

    erebos wrote:

     

    RSS is done... it's TOAST!

     

    I'm trying to respectfully disagree, but I'm not sure how to respond to your assertions which seem more like opinions. It sounds like you are saying that RSS is a dead technology, and will not be in use for much longer? I assume you are grouping the family of RSS formats, RDF and Atom in your definition of toasted RSS?

     

    Would you estimate we have weeks, months, years or maybe even decades left before there are no RSS documents being updated on the Web? Can you cite any data sources that back you up?

  • nybe Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)
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    Aug 2, 2012 5:31 PM (in response to erebos)
    RSS is done. It's single ended. The feed goes out and nothing comes back. No share, like, re-tweet, or even forward. It's a digital Readers Digest, it's TOAST!

     

    You stated that “Steve was all about usability and making things simpler...” What could be more simple than "really simple syndication?" (RSS) I used it as a simple and clean way, to track lots of different dailies, most of which are web pages. It only makes sense that the browser your reading "really simple syndication" of web pages in, should be able to open said web pages right there in the same window.

     

    I've tried many readers and google etc, over the years and now over the last few days and Safari, to the best of my usages and knowledge of this sort of information gathering, has been thee simplest since its inception of reading Really Simple Syndication.

     

    If they've got a new and improved simpler Web 2.8, 3.0, 4.xxx coming up than I'm all for it, but man... it was really simple.

     

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  • mtp411 Calculating status...
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    Aug 2, 2012 6:03 PM (in response to Larry Goldman)

    So what's the alternative to the RSS feed? I need something to keep tabs on new posts. help pls.

  • erebos Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)
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    Aug 2, 2012 6:38 PM (in response to nybe)

    @ s4lex What I'm hearing from content creators of all kinds is that they do not really like RSS and many want to remove RSS from their websites. You just need to look at the world out there to see that RSS isn't as effective as social for most consumers never mind content creators. Having 10 people subsrcibe to an RSS feed is nothing compared to getting 10 people to share something on Facebook or getting even one well connected person to tweet about your site. If one of the latter two happens in could be like winning the lotto.

     

    Don't get me wrong, I hate Facebook. I can't use it. But lots of people do use it, obviously. I don't know how they can use it or what kind of mental gymnastics they must perform to retain their sanity, but it works for them. Other services I get a long with better such as twitter & stumbleupon. I like that I can let other people interested in the same things as me find my news and information. I think it just comes down to the level of awareness you have about the world. RSS lets you find a comfortable niche and stay there while social is always going to be bringing the lastest thing to you. Social is going to surprise you. The people really good at social are actually pretty savvy folks.

     

    Anyhow, all this ignores one other key fact, which is networking. RSS is not a network, it's just a delivery system. That's really all you need to know. Networks win.

  • mtp411 Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)
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    Aug 2, 2012 6:43 PM (in response to erebos)

    I get the social media thing, but I have like 40 bloggs I just want to keep up to date with (post at different times) and just need a system when theres a new post or content to read. I am still doing the socail thing but it certainly isn't similar. Are there no other systems out there creating or maintaining something like what I had wih the rss in my mail?

  • erebos Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)
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    Aug 2, 2012 7:43 PM (in response to mtp411)

    mtp411, just sign up for a social network like Facebook or Twitter and only follow the blogs you care about. All the blogs that are worth a darn have social networks they automatically update each time a post is created. It amounts to the same thing as RSS except you can't read the whole post you have to go to the actual site. Of course, if you choose to do this you can have those updates show up in notification center. (Which is prolly why Apple made Notification center.)

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