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  • nybe Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)
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    Aug 3, 2012 12:15 AM (in response to erebos)

    The thing you're missing here is sites like craigslist that make specialised lists based on search criteria you enter as the user. There is (was) then the ability to click and keep the RSS feed link at the bottom of the page and have that specific search with all it's variables RSS'd for you. In Safari 5 that was invaluable for some of the work I do and things I'm looking for and that's just ONE example of what is not provided by social media... they are just two different animals.

     

     

    here's an example: I collect, restore and sell old motorcycles and sometimes cars:

     

    http://losangeles.craigslist.org/search/mca?hasPic=1&minAsk=1000&query=triumph&s rchType=A&format=rss

     

    I like to have the choice to be able to narrow down that search on CL and see the daily updates, with the cute little numbers in the bookmarks bar of old Safari... FB or twitter and social as a whole have their very specific uses, but this is not one of them.

     

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  • Nathan Jones2 Level 1 Level 1 (25 points)
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    Aug 3, 2012 1:34 AM (in response to s4lex)

    (Safari is not a top ranked browser. Internet Explorer and Chrome are more popular)

  • apeach Calculating status...
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    Aug 3, 2012 3:10 AM (in response to Glen M)

    Not only is Mail an illogical place to move RSS feeds, the feeds in Mail seem to bring Mail to a grinding halt.  I use hundreds of feeds in Safari and I can sucessfully use about five in Mail.  Try using the Internet Archives' feature film RSS feed in Mail and wait 20 minutes to get your mail. Come on Apple, if RSS feeds are a dying technology, why are they still  in Mail?  If the reader is a useful feature, why is it gone from it's logical home in Safari?  RSS readers outside of a web browser are just a nuisance, and using the RSS reader with Search is a really handy way to collect clippings of a favorite subject from multiple sites.   Everyone posting here that thinks Apple has made a big mistake in removing RSS feeds, complain at http://www.apple.com/feedback/safari.html

  • s4lex Calculating status...
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    Aug 3, 2012 7:14 AM (in response to Nathan Jones2)

    Nathan Jones2 wrote:

     

    (Safari is not a top ranked browser. Internet Explorer and Chrome are more popular)

    I was careful to say "a" top ranked browser, and not "the" top ranked browser   It's in the Top 2 to 4 depending on how you slice things, e.g. Top 2 for mobile versus Top 4 for desktop.

  • Casban Calculating status...
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    Aug 3, 2012 7:15 AM (in response to erebos)

    erebos wrote:

     

    mtp411, just sign up for a social network like Facebook or Twitter and only follow the blogs you care about. All the blogs that are worth a darn have social networks they automatically update each time a post is created. It amounts to the same thing as RSS except you can't read the whole post you have to go to the actual site. Of course, if you choose to do this you can have those updates show up in notification center. (Which is prolly why Apple made Notification center.)

     

    I feel quite frustrated at the loss of RSS and you may not realise the subtle but non-trendy differences between the options available.

     

    If you're talking Facebook or Twitter, I don't want to waste time re-opening articles I've already read - having scrolled down too far through the list of updates.

     

    If you're talking Notification center, I don't want to be limited to the top 10 or so.

     

    I want to have a list of every unread article from each site I subscribe to, and to have unread articles stand out so I know at a glance what remains.

     

    I want what I have. I don't want to lose it. I can't get an adapter for compatability, nor can I get simple software that doesn't want me to shift all my reading habits into Google's pool of how to best advertise things to me. I don't hear that I'm being offered a better option to move forward with.

  • s4lex Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)
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    Aug 3, 2012 7:31 AM (in response to erebos)

    erebos wrote:

     

    mtp411, just sign up for a social network like Facebook or Twitter and only follow the blogs you care about. All the blogs that are worth a darn have social networks they automatically update each time a post is created. It amounts to the same thing as RSS except you can't read the whole post you have to go to the actual site. Of course, if you choose to do this you can have those updates show up in notification center. (Which is prolly why Apple made Notification center.)

     

    I'm sorry, but this advices makes absolutely no sense. Technology is already complicated and buggy enough, so let's just insert another bunch of flakey middle men (Twitter, Facebook, Google+, Social Yahoos, Apple's Notification Center, etc) -- that should fix everything right?!? NOT!!! Anyone hear about the Twitter Fail Whale, or Facebook's endless privacy debacles (and falling stock price)? If I had a popular blog or web-based business, there is NO WAY that's who I'd want to solely depend on versus having my own RSS feed that I have 100% control over. If your customers are dumping their RSS feeds for social network channels, boy I feel sorry for them. They're terrible business owners if they can't think through that faulty advice.

     

    The web is most successful as a form of disintermediation folks. If you don't get that, you don't have any business advising people on their web strategy. I'm not saying you shouldn't take advantage of existing social networks to get the word out about your blog, products or services -- but I wouldn't dump an RSS mechanism that you can control for social networks that are generally highly inefficient and designed for the benefits of the social network owner (big data analytics, viral growth factors, etc) and not the folks posting to them. Anyone here familiar with the term "Ponzi Scheme"? That's what most social networks rely on, although they prefer a related technical term: "The Network Effect". Do you want your web site's communication/marketing/branding strategy to be dependent on a ponzi scheme versus a Really Simple Syndication (RSS duh) technology that has been in place for over a decade and has never failed once!?! Gosh!

  • s4lex Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)
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    Aug 3, 2012 8:04 AM (in response to erebos)

    erebos wrote:

     

    @ s4lex What I'm hearing from content creators of all kinds is that they do not really like RSS and many want to remove RSS from their websites. You just need to look at the world out there to see that RSS isn't as effective as social for most consumers never mind content creators. Having 10 people subsrcibe to an RSS feed is nothing compared to getting 10 people to share something on Facebook or getting even one well connected person to tweet about your site. If one of the latter two happens in could be like winning the lotto.

     

    Don't get me wrong, I hate Facebook. I can't use it. But lots of people do use it, obviously. I don't know how they can use it or what kind of mental gymnastics they must perform to retain their sanity, but it works for them. Other services I get a long with better such as twitter & stumbleupon. I like that I can let other people interested in the same things as me find my news and information. I think it just comes down to the level of awareness you have about the world. RSS lets you find a comfortable niche and stay there while social is always going to be bringing the lastest thing to you. Social is going to surprise you. The people really good at social are actually pretty savvy folks.

     

    Anyhow, all this ignores one other key fact, which is networking. RSS is not a network, it's just a delivery system. That's really all you need to know. Networks win.

     

    I get that there are many clueless people who have a hard time with three letter acronyms and web concepts in general. If we're letting these same clueless decide on how the Web evolves, we're in trouble. Luckily we still have the W3C and other intelligent people to advise us on this.

     

    I've never once said that anyone with a web site should solely embrace RSS and ignore all social media channels. I help friends with their web sites all of the time, often to integrate them with Twitter, Facebook and other media partners. I would never encourage them to shut down their RSS functionality. There's a separation of concerns there that some people on here don't seem to grasp. Some of us do and made piles of money with that knowledge over the past two decades. Holy bat crap man -- HTML is not a network, but somehow we've managed to build this little global network called the Internet using that simple markup format.

     

    Maybe Facebook, Twitter and Apple want RSS to go away, since that's a channel they can't control (the web site owners do). I don't know and am not a conspiracy theory minded person... Apple recently met with Twitter to discuss a major strategic investment in them, and wouldn't ya know that same week they release major OS X and Safari updates that disable RSS... inquiring minds might want to know. Not me, I've got important work to do applying open standards, open source and open data.

     

    What I do know is that if Apple's Safari 7 disables it's (X)HTML support ("you should publish all of your web page content through the new Global Apple Content Syndication network instead of that majorly anti-social HTML format -- GACS is super social!"), it would be dead on arrival. Microsoft did their damndest to kill the open standards Internet, and look where it got them... back of the pack for the mobile and social Internet (r)evolutions.

  • nybe Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)
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    Aug 3, 2012 8:10 AM (in response to s4lex)

    For fear of getting into another weird reactionary interchange, I was keeping my lip buttoned, but... IMHO, I don't believe certain people, who have been commenting in this discussion, use RSS (or similar) the same way, or to the extent that others possibly do. It might be hard, for said people, to fully grasp the power of really simple syndication and the depth to which Safari implemented such a simple implementation... Just sayin.

     

    RSS may or may not be back in a later iteration of Safari... I hope it is. The implications as to what it means when something this simple and powerful gets dumbed down or completely removed are disheartening. I like having my options for how I manipulate the information I take in. When those options are taken away so quietly, yeah, I get a little paranoid.

     

    The Internet seems to be being manipulated more toward the "share" concept where now huge companies sit around trying to think up new and more meaningless viral memes that will get us to share so they can more precisely track metrics and inevitably sell more "sugar water" to the starving masses.

  • neil456 Calculating status...
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    Aug 3, 2012 9:13 AM (in response to s4lex)

    s4lex wrote:

     

     

    I'm sorry, but this advices makes absolutely no sense. Technology is already complicated and buggy enough, so let's just insert another bunch of flakey middle men (Twitter, Facebook, Google+, Social Yahoos, Apple's Notification Center, etc) -- that should fix everything right?!? NOT!!! Anyone hear about the Twitter Fail Whale, or Facebook's endless privacy debacles (and falling stock price)? If I had a popular blog or web-based business, there is NO WAY that's who I'd want to solely depend on versus having my own RSS feed that I have 100% control over. If your customers are dumping their RSS feeds for social network channels, boy I feel sorry for them. They're terrible business owners if they can't think through that faulty advice.

     

    The web is most successful as a form of disintermediation folks. If you don't get that, you don't have any business advising people on their web strategy. I'm not saying you shouldn't take advantage of existing social networks to get the word out about your blog, products or services -- but I wouldn't dump an RSS mechanism that you can control for social networks that are generally highly inefficient and designed for the benefits of the social network owner (big data analytics, viral growth factors, etc) and not the folks posting to them. Anyone here familiar with the term "Ponzi Scheme"? That's what most social networks rely on, although they prefer a related technical term: "The Network Effect". Do you want your web site's communication/marketing/branding strategy to be dependent on a ponzi scheme versus a Really Simple Syndication (RSS duh) technology that has been in place for over a decade and has never failed once!?! Gosh!

    Wow, well said.

  • erebos Calculating status...
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    Aug 3, 2012 12:34 PM (in response to s4lex)

    s4lex wrote:

     

    I'm sorry, but this advices makes absolutely no sense. Technology is already complicated and buggy enough, so let's just insert another bunch of flakey middle men (Twitter, Facebook, Google+, Social Yahoos, Apple's Notification Center, etc) -- that should fix everything right?!? NOT!!! Anyone hear about the Twitter Fail Whale, or Facebook's endless privacy debacles (and falling stock price)? If I had a popular blog or web-based business, there is NO WAY that's who I'd want to solely depend on versus having my own RSS feed that I have 100% control over. If your customers are dumping their RSS feeds for social network channels, boy I feel sorry for them. They're terrible business owners if they can't think through that faulty advice.

     

    The web is most successful as a form of disintermediation folks. If you don't get that, you don't have any business advising people on their web strategy. I'm not saying you shouldn't take advantage of existing social networks to get the word out about your blog, products or services -- but I wouldn't dump an RSS mechanism that you can control for social networks that are generally highly inefficient and designed for the benefits of the social network owner (big data analytics, viral growth factors, etc) and not the folks posting to them. Anyone here familiar with the term "Ponzi Scheme"? That's what most social networks rely on, although they prefer a related technical term: "The Network Effect". Do you want your web site's communication/marketing/branding strategy to be dependent on a ponzi scheme versus a Really Simple Syndication (RSS duh) technology that has been in place for over a decade and has never failed once!?! Gosh!

     

    What a load of crap! Disintermediation? We're dependent on Search Engines! How are you going to find anything to subscribe to without asking Google or Microsoft? There's a reason Google, Facebook, etc are the top sites, because disintermediation is the last thing on 99% of CUSTOMERS minds. Most customers want an intermediary, they want someone to look up to or "follow" and then they in turn eventually break free and lead others. If you're just a non-profit or a some other site with an alternate revenue source, RSS may indeed be wonderful for you, but if you rely on page views, RSS is a double edged sword.

     

    I'm pretty sure Google is utter dog s*** as well, I think they suck at everything they do and they're LIARS. They're one of the worst companies out there! Don't tell me you want to get sucked into Google's happy world of handing over your phone number to every app they offer. Don't tell me you actually believe Android is open source when Google has sued developers for actually believing it was open source.

     

    Why should I as a content owner help Google via RSS? Why should I want to add value to Google or any other RSS application provider? Those are your "intermediaries" but you think they're "ok". Google is f*** EVIL! Why do you think they have an RSS reader?

     

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  • erebos Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)
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    Aug 3, 2012 12:55 PM (in response to nybe)

    nybe wrote:

     

    For fear of getting into another weird reactionary interchange, I was keeping my lip buttoned, but... IMHO, I don't believe certain people, who have been commenting in this discussion, use RSS (or similar) the same way, or to the extent that others possibly do. It might be hard, for said people, to fully grasp the power of really simple syndication and the depth to which Safari implemented such a simple implementation... Just sayin.

     

    RSS may or may not be back in a later iteration of Safari... I hope it is. The implications as to what it means when something this simple and powerful gets dumbed down or completely removed are disheartening. I like having my options for how I manipulate the information I take in. When those options are taken away so quietly, yeah, I get a little paranoid.

     

    The Internet seems to be being manipulated more toward the "share" concept where now huge companies sit around trying to think up new and more meaningless viral memes that will get us to share so they can more precisely track metrics and inevitably sell more "sugar water" to the starving masses.

     

    Look, you're talking about YOU again. It's like TV. TV has a lot of dumb shows. I don't watch TV, I haven't had cable TV for 7 years. Yet TV is still going strong and more stupid than ever. You have to understand that you liking RSS and feeling that it has some kind of power which it really doesn't have is not going to change the fact that the entire world has already decided to go social.

     

    I totally get the power of RSS in theory and in practice. My girlfriend blogs a lot and she uses RSS nonstop but, she's smart enough to understand that it IS a double edged sword for her blog. She uses a couple of different RSS readers and uses her collection of feeds as a knowledgebase and an idea base, but she has serious questions about it's utility for driving traffic to her site. I get that it's powerful and useful and all that but the writing is on the wall at this point.

     

    The thing you have to understand is that on a day to day basis, hundreds if not thousands of topics are blowing up on social networks around the world, RSS does not have this effect. RSS has no leverage. For you as a consumer it's a convenient way to organize you're snapshot of the internet, thats it. That's about as exciitng as a file cabinet.

  • s4lex Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)
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    Aug 3, 2012 1:35 PM (in response to nybe)

    nybe wrote:

     

    For fear of getting into another weird reactionary interchange, I was keeping my lip buttoned, but... IMHO, I don't believe certain people, who have been commenting in this discussion, use RSS (or similar) the same way, or to the extent that others possibly do. It might be hard, for said people, to fully grasp the power of really simple syndication and the depth to which Safari implemented such a simple implementation... Just sayin.

     

     

    Wow, well said x2 -- I tried having some friendly debate with folks on this thread (not you nybe), but their perspective on RSS is clearly different than mine. The 'R' in RSS also points back to its RDF roots. RDF is still being used by some of the 1% intellectual and technical elite to solve really hard problems or get rich. The 99% can have their social sharing buttons -- let them tweet about cake.

     

    My wife blogs a lot too, but I don't think that makes me an expert on RSS. FWIW, a former colleague made great money in the news reader market (his company owned NNW for several years, but recently sold it off to Black Pixel -- hope it was a good buy), so maybe I have some unique or historical perspective here and not just opinions and emotions?

     

    I want to bring this back to the fact that someone at Apple added simply beautiful RSS functionality to Safari a few years ago. It was usable by the 1% like me who found it to be the most productive form of RSS end user consumption for my webdev-centric workflows, and maybe even the 99% who stumbled upon it to follow blogs about cats doing funny things. Someone more recently removed that RSS functionality, which seems like a step backwards (assuming they could fix the aforementioned XSS defect). This might have delighted a handful of third party devs that derive some income from selling third party RSS readers, but it made a few of us less productive or less happy with Apple.

     

    Just sayin.

  • ulzeraj Calculating status...
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    Aug 3, 2012 3:47 PM (in response to s4lex)

    Did they gave an explanation on why they did this? It doesn't seem like a very bright idea and I'm sure a lot of people switched to other browsers because of that. In the end its just another reason to not buy from Apple.

     

    I've already submited a feedback note about bringing RSS back to Safari.

     

     

    I'm getting fed with Apple at each OS X release. Now, instead of implementing needed stuff such as NFSv4 with kerberos correctly they went for the "oh-system-wide-twitter-integration". Someone at Apple probably thinks that all Apple users are hipsters doing nothing all day but to post Facebook from Starbucks.

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    Aug 3, 2012 5:17 PM (in response to ZORGALISCIOUS)

    Getting RSS back - uninstall Safari 6 - install Safari 5.1.7

     

    The solution is here :

     

    http://apple.stackexchange.com/questions/57916/how-do-you-remove-safari-6-on-mac -osx-10-7-4

     

    If your downgraded Safari does not work, install Safari 5.1.7 again using the Safari5.1.7LionManual.dmg

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    Aug 4, 2012 1:09 AM (in response to ZORGALISCIOUS)

    I am so disappointed that safari no longer supports RSS feeds. I want to downgrade so badly. It was great being in Mail so I didn't have to open yet another account with another google thing. I'm sick of google knowing everything I do. I want my RSS feeds back. I want to subscribe in MAIL.

     

    And to those who say RSS feeds are dead - over half of my websites traffic comes from RSS feeds. They are easy and convenient. I do not want a "app reader" - I wouldn't even know what one was best. I've never even looked at one because the RSS feature in Safari was so perfect.

     

    I too complained to the safari developers. argggghhhhh! I wish I could pull someone's hair over this. I'd feel better.

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