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  • 255. Re: Where did RSS go in Safari 6???
    Casban Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    JonK.. wrote:

     

    if you want an RSS feeder for Safari,  there are several extensions you can download which bring that function to safari...

     

    you can also just do it in the Mail application in it's side bar instead... (any old RSS feed link in Safari if you click on it will give you that option)

     

    the RSS feed,   like flash,  slows Safari and your machine down considerably..  in the mail app they are checked when the rest of your mail accounts are checked during it's auto refresh cycle...

     

    http://www.macupdate.com/app/mac/44228/subscribe-to-feed-safari-extension

     

    ...

     

    apple is interested in improving the whole experience and that means removing old tech that is slowing things down,  like flash and RSS, and replaceing them with new tech,    if you want the old tech, Apple is just allowing those companies to write extensions,  so you can get that function back.    but you would be wise to try to not do that, and find the new tech...

     

    Firstly from that link you gave:

     

    Subscribe to Feed Safari Extension adds a handy button to the toolbar that, when a page offers RSS or Atom feeds, can be clicked to easily open the feed:// link, which should automatically open your favorite news reader.

     

    >> Favourite news reader.

     

    Which (was) Safari. This extension pushes the feed: url to an external app. Not open them in Safari which is the issue at hand in this thread.

     

    Secondly: RSS has been removed from Mail in Mountain Lion. The path ahead isn't so good. Another Apple-provided RSS reader gone.

     

    Thirdly. "Replacing them with new tech"

     

    What new tech.

     

    Scrolling through a Facebook/Twitter feed is just like scrolling through the webpage itself. Just faster.

     

    What of this new tech shows me where to pick up from? Say there are 500 total articles across 25 separate feeds. There are 63 new articles. Before RSS I would scroll to the bottom of each site and read through a few that sounded familiar on each one before reaching the articles that sounded new. This practice has been around since:

    • Trying to find that place you were last at in a book you were reading
    • Newspapers
    • Webpages before RSS

     

    With Twitter and Facebook... I get to return to that. You tell me progress? I say you're thirteen years old and weren't old enough to experience how things were.

     

    Speed in loading: better... maybe? I still open a load of tabs to see each article. Actually no, I have to spend more time on my end manually scrolling through lists that don't mark what I have or have not read, just so my browser can save a few cycles of processing to give me those pages faster. I don't feel this is an improvement as my browser can do such tasks at a rate far in excess of my slow human-hindered abilities. Total time increased.

     

    Maybe I'll send another feedback note to Apple.

  • 256. Re: Where did RSS go in Safari 6???
    JonK.. Level 2 Level 2 (230 points)

    the "what new tech" is:  push notifications is replacing RSS so your list of notifications has the same list of websites that have updates,  and HTML5 is replacing Flash...

     

    if that RSS extension is not to your liking there are several others that will open RSS feeds in any number of ways..   having the function back at all i believe is the main point....

     

    another extension:   http://www.red-sweater.com/blog/2624/subscribe-to-feed-safari-extension,  see bottom of blog post for updated extension.

     

    the comment about mail having RSS is in response to the person i was replying to,   I am not sure why my response is at the bottom of this thread,  but the person i was replying to said he wouldn't update,   meaning he can't be in Mountain lion,  there is nothing he can udate in Mountain lion if he arleady was in Mountain lion....

     

    so his option is he can do a full update in regular Lion (including updating safari if he wishes),   and he will have the option to have his RSS feed in Mail side bar.

  • 257. Re: Where did RSS go in Safari 6???
    Glen M Level 2 Level 2 (270 points)

    First

    “Casban” is absolutely correct on all points.

     

    Second

    There are. apparently, a huge number of people that have never used RSS and they are giving advice that is waaaay off base. Many people NEED RSS, and Safari was the easiest way to browse through sites, especially if you have a disability.

     

    I had my blind friend’s Safari all set up with all of his local news in one RSS click, and each of a dozen other topics in one-click RSS lists each, and his Mac would READ THE LIST! All he had to do as just select the headline he wanted, and it brought it right up. Now, it takes him 30 minutes what once took 5; 10 clicks are now 100. THERE IS NO SPEED INCREASE, just more opportunity to force people into places that are teaming with advertisements. Try to navigate through THAT maze if you are blind! He, I and all of his friends are extremely upset at Apple for being so incredibly cold and heartless to those with special needs.

     

    For those that don’t have a need for RSS, fine for you, but don't tear down all of the wheelchair ramps merely because you, personally, prefer the stairs. Was it so insurmountably difficult that Apple couldn't make it a Safari Preference option, and so important as to necessitate removing millions of users access to news and information?

     

    Aren’t computers suppose to make life EASIER, rather than more difficult? I thought that is what Apple’s focus was.

     

    Third

    RSS Feeds are not email, so I do NOT want to be notified and interrupted as if it were, either in mail or with pushed screen notifications. RSS is a quick way to get around the internet to the article that I am interested in.

     

    P.S.  AND STOP MOVING THE UNIVERSAL ACCESS ICON WITH EVERY OS UPDATE! It’s a nightmare if you’re blind. It’s like rearranging the furniture in a blind person’s home without telling him.

     

    All it takes is just one smart kid with a better idea for a GUI or better yet, AUI that puts Siri to shame, and Apple will see a mass exodus like history has never seen. Bring Steve’s spirit back to Apple or risk watching your stock value join Facebook’s.

     

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  • 258. Re: Where did RSS go in Safari 6???
    neil456 Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    JonK.. wrote:

     

    the "what new tech" is:  push notifications is replacing RSS so your list of notifications has the same list of websites that have updates,  and HTML5 is replacing Flash...

     

    Fail with repsect to RSS.  None of the replacement options are better.

     

    With respect to html 5, yes it's better.

     

    Notifications fit a different workflow that has nothing to do with RSS.  Quit trying to force a square peg in a round hole.

  • 259. Re: Where did RSS go in Safari 6???
    JonK.. Level 2 Level 2 (230 points)

    Third

    RSS Feeds are not email, so I do NOT want to be notified and interrupted as if it were, either in mail or with pushed screen notifications. RSS is a quick way to get around the internet to the article that I am interested in.

     

    the RSS feed in the mail app is not an email,   it is in the side bar, like it was in Safari, (we are talking lion here) 

    it acts similarly to the one in the safari,  you click on it,  it lists out the changes to the feed,  just like safari did..  if you want to read more,  you click on that and it opens in Safari,  just like it did in Safari...

     

    change is a b*ch  i know,  i've done my share of complaining about change...  only to be humbled later by realizing it did improve the experience...   

     

    i still remember the people complaining about the change from MacOS 9 to OSX 

    and the best were the people complaining about the removal of the floppy drive...  we think those complaints are silly now only because we have the benefit of our eyes filled with what would become the future...

  • 260. Re: Where did RSS go in Safari 6???
    JonK.. Level 2 Level 2 (230 points)

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    P.S.  AND STOP MOVING THE UNIVERSAL ACCESS ICON WITH EVERY OS UPDATE! It’s a nightmare if you’re blind. It’s like rearranging the furniture in a blind person’s home without telling him.

     

    use the computer that you bought,  and just stop updating...,  it is simple to do that...really it is...   that is all one has to do in many situations... not just the one you described...   it is not a requirement to update, nobody is asking someone to do that,    if you did update,  stick in your original disk, and redo the computer to how it came from the factory....   you literally can use what you have..   i've got a mac i haven't touched sitting running 24/7  doing the same thing it was doing 10 years ago...  i haven't updated because there is no need to do it, what it does, it does well.......   that isn't a hack,  it is simply what many people should do.   I have half a dozen other Macs that are updated to varying degrees,   i stop updating the moment that a mac is doing what someone in my family likes to do with that mac and not just your situation complains about change,  everyone does..  including my wife,  she is perfectly happy on snow leopard,  i leave it on snow leopard.

     

    but to suggest that the world should stand still to please you is just selfish,  there are no two ways about that...  i don't go around suggesting that everyone should only use snow leopard because my wife likes snow leopard. that would be silly....

     

    should women all wear veils to please a subset of people who are required to wear veils?  

  • 261. Re: Where did RSS go in Safari 6???
    nybe Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    Either you get it or you don't. Either you can see how you're manipulated into how you use 'their' software... or you're eyes are wide shut.

     

    RSS is a stupidly simple yet incredibly powerful syndication and subscription aggregation tool for dailies (websites and blogs where the writers are constantly putting up new articles). RSS is in no way related to Mail, sidebars or what have you. It is in no way related to Flash (not sure how that comes into the discussion and we all know the real reasons for the ousting of it). And lastly RSS is absolutely in no way even remotely related to Social Media (FB, twitter, tumblr, etc.). As for a comparison to the floppy disk? That doesn't even make sense.

     

    The implementation of RSS in Safari had been the best and simplest form of it that I have used, I've been using RSS in various forms since about 2006. It will be missed if it really is being doused in Safari and the only reason I can see for its ouster is metrics.

  • 262. Re: Where did RSS go in Safari 6???
    JonK.. Level 2 Level 2 (230 points)

    RSS is a stupidly simple yet incredibly powerful syndication and subscription aggregation tool for dailies

     

    and i remember people arguing vehemently that Flash was the best thing since sliced bread on Androids...  now they are a little silent... for a good reason...

     

    did you really think Apple left off RSS just as an oversight?  (did you think that Apple left off floppy drives because it was an oversight?)

     

    or do you think that RSS is the end all and be all, and Apple decided that the end all and be all should not be included for the heck of it?

     

    there is a good reason why they did it...   not researching why (or the next generation of that type of service) is having one's eyes wide shut...

  • 263. Re: Where did RSS go in Safari 6???
    nybe Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    Jeez. Like I said; either you get it... or you don't.

  • 264. Re: Where did RSS go in Safari 6???
    nybe Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    interesting article that popped up on one of my Safari 5.1.7 RSS feeds:

     

    I want my RSS

     

    excerpt:

    RSS might be considered 'old technology' by the Facebook/Twitter generation, but it is a very effective way for publishers to draw attention to new articles on their sites, and for readers to follow news from multiple sites. It's also the technology used by iTunes and other podcatcher applications to automatically fetch new podcasts.

    and:

    ...It's almost as if Apple is trying to steer us away from established open standards towards proprietary platforms such as Twitter and Facebook.

     

    Message was edited by: nybe

  • 265. Re: Where did RSS go in Safari 6???
    Mat Pridham1 Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    JonK.. wrote:

     

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    P.S.  AND STOP MOVING THE UNIVERSAL ACCESS ICON WITH EVERY OS UPDATE! It’s a nightmare if you’re blind. It’s like rearranging the furniture in a blind person’s home without telling him.

     

    use the computer that you bought,  and just stop updating...

     

    ...but to suggest that the world should stand still to please you is just selfish,  there are no two ways about that...  i don't go around suggesting that everyone should only use snow leopard because my wife likes snow leopard. that would be silly....

     

    should women all wear veils to please a subset of people who are required to wear veils?  

     

    Wait, wait-wait-wait-wait. Did you seriously just compare a blind person to a religion?

     

    Apple provides a Preference Pane, designed for, and designated specifically for the visually impaired... It's not unreasonable to ask them to keep it's location consistent out of respect for the fact the visually impaired CAN'T SEE!

     

    I was done with this endless, tiresome argument until you went and spouted some of the most offensive, unintelligent vitriol I've ever heard. Worst-period-Analogy-period-Ever-PERIOD

  • 266. Re: Where did RSS go in Safari 6???
    michjunge Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    It's been very interesting reading (most of) this thread. I just downgraded to Safari 5, and it's such a relief. I now have my news feed again. If anybody missed it here's how: apple.stackexchange.com/questions/57916/how-do-you-remove-safari-6-on-mac-os-x- 10-7-4 - but NOT if you've already jumped the mountain lion.

     

    I've been reading a lot about this issue and a most of the suggestions for a solution point to the possibility of installing an extention that "brings back" a RSS button. However the problem is not so much the missing button but that Safari will not read the RSS feeds. Safari 5 is the most useful RSS reader on the planet, because it's clutter free, it's organized with bookmarks, and especially because it's integrated in the browser.

     

    To have your RSS reader integrated in your browser is just common sense and incredibly useful.

     

    I am hoping that someone will develop an extension for Safari 6 that makes it possible to read RSS from within the browser. Until then I'm staying with Lion/Safari 5.

  • 267. Re: Where did RSS go in Safari 6???
    nybe Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    However the problem is not so much the missing button but that Safari will not read the RSS feeds.

    The implications are not good; I get the feeling that too much of how Safari read RSS was too open and uncontrollable by Apple, so it will most likely not be making a come back... I sincerely hope I'm wrong.

  • 268. Re: Where did RSS go in Safari 6???
    testosterosa Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    Frankly, I feel like the frog in the kettle of water and the temperature keeps going up. I keep seeing the elimination of functions that are integral to my work, the latest being the elimination of RSS from Safari.

     

    By itself, the loss of RSS support is simply that - no more RSS support.  In the context of other similar issues (from FInal Cut X clear down to the elimination of the Hex RGB display from Color Meter) it says that Apple is turning its back on power users and content creators. 

     

    The question is: Do I wait until Apple has turned the MacBookPro into nothing more than a keyboard-equipped iPad before I find an alternative?  Or do I start looking for an alternative now? (This is a rhetorical question).

     

    My practice is to buy a new MacBookPro every three years (when AppleCare runs out). My next purchase would be July 2013. If this frog is going to jump out of the pot then that is a perfect time to do it.

  • 269. Re: Where did RSS go in Safari 6???
    nybe Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    Well said.

     

    Once again; the times they may be a changin...

     

    The window is wide open for a new Disruptive Influnence.

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