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Q: sync without iCloud?

After I have installed Mountain Lion, I have had a number of sync issues via iTunes and for a while I thought these were the same reasons I could not sync my notes from my iPhone with the fancy new application on my Macbook.....until I came across this article informing me that it is no longer supported in Mountain Lion(!!!!): http://support.apple.com/kb/HT4191  (relevant part half way down under Syncing Notes with iTunes and OS X Mountain Lion v10.8)

 

I am a traditionalist when it comes to privacy and data security. I like to keep my data on my hardware behind firewall, only upload data onto the web that I genuinly want to share with others (...even to the point of using POP mail account). I have no intention to use iCloud (it seems I am not alone in this, sure you all read the comments by Steve Wozniak http://www.techradar.com/news/networking/routers-storage/apple-co-founder-thinks -the-cloud-will-be-horrendous-1091188).

 

The way things go, I will end up with 6 different Mac devices at home that will stop talking to each other unless I feed all the data into the cloud.

 

Does anyone know a way to sync everything just on your home network, without having to upload stuff to the web? Why cannot we have our own homeCloud? Any suggestions welcome (including from Apple)......Hope I will not have to abandon my Mac devices and consider (dare I even say) Windows!?

MacBook Air (13-inch Late 2010), OS X Mountain Lion, iPhone 4 with latest IOS

Posted on Aug 11, 2012 6:57 AM

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  • by winglet,

    winglet winglet Aug 16, 2012 3:16 PM in response to Csound1
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    Aug 16, 2012 3:16 PM in response to Csound1

    I'm not sure I get the connection between UPS (the parcel service I guess?) and Apple Notes. But whatever.

     

    Look, I get the benefits of cloud computing. It has it's advantages, it has it's drawbacks. But one thing it definitely needs, is internet connectivity. So in places where that's iffy, it's a non-starter. Even in places where networks are reliable, they aren't 100%.

     

    There is no reasonable defense for removing a prefectly good, reliable, alternate, non-internet-reliant, backup way of doing something. Period. As I said, it isn't even consistent. I'm really not interested in micro-managing something as banal as syncing notes on my iToys. It irritates me to even be wasting time posting about it.

     

    But I AM starting to listen a little closer to the ranters who decry Apple as "anti-choice", where before I would simply smile and tune them out.

  • by Csound1,

    Csound1 Csound1 Aug 16, 2012 3:21 PM in response to winglet
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    Aug 16, 2012 3:21 PM in response to winglet

    You can still sync by plugging the phone in (or iPad) and using iTunes, that has not been removed.

     

    And UPS? JimCasey (founder of UPS) suggested (while still at school) that sending all packages to a central hub and then sending them on to their destination would be the best way to do it, his Teacher derided the idea as wasteful, look how that turned out.

  • by idontcarejustletmein,

    idontcarejustletmein idontcarejustletmein Aug 16, 2012 3:27 PM in response to Csound1
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    Aug 16, 2012 3:27 PM in response to Csound1

    You can still sync by plugging the phone in (or iPad) and using iTunes, that has not been removed.

    But you can't access those backupped notes in any meaningful way.

     

    And UPS? JimCasey (founder of UPS) suggested (while still at school) that sending all packages to a central hub and then sending them on to their destination would be the best way to do it, his Teacher derided the idea as wasteful, look how that turned out.

    Really? You are comparing a physical logistic problem with a eletronic one where transfer of information is almost instant and has practically zero cost?

     

    Please. Please stop defending Apple's BS stupid decision.

  • by winglet,

    winglet winglet Aug 16, 2012 3:28 PM in response to Csound1
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    Aug 16, 2012 3:28 PM in response to Csound1

    Umm...well, no. My whole complaint is with the fact that in Mountain Lion, you can no longer sync Notes by plugging in your iThingy. So I can either register for iCloud and configure my iPhone, iPad, and MacBook Pro appropriately for this one function, or just say the heck with it and ditch Notes altogether. I'm going with the latter.

     

    And yes, as an airline pilot I'm quite familiar with the hub and spoke concept, it's been around longer than parcel delivery services. But I wouldn't consider physical goods and electronic media the same thing so it's a pretty weak parallel.

  • by Csound1,

    Csound1 Csound1 Aug 16, 2012 3:30 PM in response to winglet
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    Aug 16, 2012 3:30 PM in response to winglet

    winglet wrote:

     

    Umm...well, no. My whole complaint is with the fact that in Mountain Lion, you can no longer sync Notes by plugging in your iThingy. So I can either register for iCloud and configure my iPhone, iPad, and MacBook Pro appropriately for this one function, or just say the heck with it and ditch Notes altogether. I'm going with the latter.

     

    And yes, as an airline pilot I'm quite familiar with the hub and spoke concept, it's been around longer than parcel delivery services. But I wouldn't consider physical goods and electronic media the same thing so it's a pretty weak parallel.

    Time will tell if that is true.

  • by Csound1,

    Csound1 Csound1 Aug 16, 2012 3:31 PM in response to idontcarejustletmein
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    Aug 16, 2012 3:31 PM in response to idontcarejustletmein

    When I reply to you I will note your response, until then .....

  • by idontcarejustletmein,

    idontcarejustletmein idontcarejustletmein Aug 16, 2012 3:37 PM in response to Csound1
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    Aug 16, 2012 3:37 PM in response to Csound1

    LOL. I can post whenever I want. I don't see any rules here regarding that.

     

    Offended that I called you out on your BS?

     

    PS: I despise Apple Fanboys like you as much as I despise the Apple haters. I swear "fans" who "don't think" are half of what's wrong with this stupid world.

  • by Csound1,

    Csound1 Csound1 Aug 16, 2012 3:37 PM in response to idontcarejustletmein
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    Aug 16, 2012 3:37 PM in response to idontcarejustletmein

    idontcarejustletmein wrote:

     

    LOL. I can post whenever I want. I don't see any rules here regarding that.

     

    Offended that I called you out on your BS?

    No, just amazed that you think there is "practically zero cost" to the Internet infrastructure, but that is up to you.

  • by winglet,

    winglet winglet Aug 16, 2012 3:42 PM in response to Csound1
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    Aug 16, 2012 3:42 PM in response to Csound1

    Geezus this particular argument is dumb. UPS and cloud computing have nothing in common as to what they are trying to achieve. Trying to move a physical parcel from once place to another is not trying to achieve the same thing as the benefits of iCloud and similar services. Sheesh.

     

    If you MUST cling to your analogy, try this: just because couriers started delivering packages, they didn't force people to stop using regular postal service. And THAT's what Apple is doing here, removing a perfectly good choice.

     

    Capiche?

  • by idontcarejustletmein,

    idontcarejustletmein idontcarejustletmein Aug 16, 2012 3:55 PM in response to Csound1
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    Aug 16, 2012 3:55 PM in response to Csound1
    No, just amazed that you think there is "practically zero cost" to the Internet infrastructure, but that is up to you.

     

    UPS is a parcel delivery service. They have work because it's NOT free for people to move parcels themselves (time and effort) and UPS can do it more efficiently by using a centralised system with trucks that carry multiple parcels.

     

    Moving data from an iPhone to a Macbook via USB on the other is practically "free" - the cost is insignificant. I can do it myself at nigh zero cost.

     

    The reasoning that makes the use of UPS efficient doesn't apply here.

     

    iCloud might make things more convinent - in some circumstance that isn't even true; iCloud seems to sync whenever it wants to and sometimes I can't just wait for it - but at a cost of privacy and needing an internet connection to do it. This doesn't work out for everyone. Stop forcing it down our throats.

  • by idontcarejustletmein,

    idontcarejustletmein idontcarejustletmein Aug 16, 2012 3:52 PM in response to winglet
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    Aug 16, 2012 3:52 PM in response to winglet
    they didn't force people to stop using regular postal service.

     

     

    They didn't ban people from driving down to their friend's house and dropping stuff off either.

  • by Csound1,

    Csound1 Csound1 Aug 16, 2012 3:56 PM in response to idontcarejustletmein
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    Aug 16, 2012 3:56 PM in response to idontcarejustletmein

    idontcarejustletmein wrote:

     

    No, just amazed that you think there is "practically zero cost" to the Internet infrastructure, but that is up to you.

     

    UPS is a parcel delivery service. They have work because it's NOT free for people to move parcels themselves (time and effort) and UPS can do it more efficiently by using a centralised system with trucks that carry multiple parcels.

     

    Moving data from an iPhone to a Macbook via USB on the other is practically "free" - the cost is insignificant. I can do it myself at nigh zero cost.

     

    The reasoning that makes the use of UPS efficient doesn't apply here.

     

    iCloud might make things more convinent - in some circumstance that isn't even true; iCloud seems to sync whenever it wants to and sometimes I can't just wait for it - but at a cost of piracy and need an internet connection to do it. This doesn't work out for everyone. Stop forcing it down our throats.

    iCloud does not Sync Contacts or Calendars (they are DAV services, look it up) it doesn't sync Mail either (Imap does that), you are mistaken about how it works, so tell me again what you think it should do?

  • by Z001,

    Z001 Z001 Aug 16, 2012 4:12 PM in response to Csound1
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    Aug 16, 2012 4:12 PM in response to Csound1

    I do not really care how iCloud does it. The point is, I do not use UPS or other external parties to move an item from my living room to my study. The same way I do not intent to use the internet to move data between the two locations, particularly if the two devices can actually sit on the same desk if I so want. I want that choice with Apple the same way I have with UPS.

     

    I do not doubt the efficiency of using a hub if I really want to send stuff (physical or data) to other locations and parties. This is not the case when I sync my data!

  • by idontcarejustletmein,

    idontcarejustletmein idontcarejustletmein Aug 16, 2012 4:17 PM in response to Csound1
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    Aug 16, 2012 4:17 PM in response to Csound1
    iCloud does not Sync Contacts or Calendars (they are DAV services, look it up) it doesn't sync Mail either (Imap does that), you are mistaken about how it works, so tell me again what you think it should do?

     

    I don't give a **** about Contacts or Calendars. I care about my notes and the only way to sync them is to use iCloud. That is all.

     

    Edit: BTW you can sync Contacts and Calendar with iCloud if you want to. Don't believe me? Go into your phone's iCloud settings, they give you the option to "turn it off".

  • by winglet,

    winglet winglet Aug 16, 2012 4:26 PM in response to idontcarejustletmein
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    Aug 16, 2012 4:26 PM in response to idontcarejustletmein

    Yeah I left the discussion once I realized that Csound1 really doesn't even understand what the discussion is about...anyway hope Apple sorts their **** out.

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