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Lion: Connecting to legacy (pre-Lion) AFP services - and Mac OS X (server)

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  • elipsett Calculating status...

    The problem persists here, too... in addition to  issues in linking various PCs, it is also impossible to use my printer/copier to scan things and upload the scan data to the new Macs. I have to upload it to a 10.5.8 Mac, then move it from there to the 10.7 machine.

     

    So now I have to buy a new high-end color printer just to be able to use it with the Mac?

    I know Mac and Windows have their issues, but unless you can find a way to at least TALK to each other, you're just hurting everyone. Including Apple.

  • Craig Best Level 4 Level 4 (1,145 points)

    Problem is even if you buy a new NAS what guarantee is there is will work with Lion or Mountain Lion?

     

    For me my NAS is part of my router which is only 6 months old so sould be up-to-date. I think the best option is just to connect the HDD up to the PC and share it from there but put another internal HDD in the PC and use it.

     

    I do feel for those who have a NAS for backing up and can no longer access that network drive.

     

    BTW I'm not going to dig around in my command line and stuff something up. The whole point of Mac and OS X is it's meant to be easier to use. Surely there is a simple solution Apple could provide or 3rd parties need to step up there game and provied firmware updates.

  • BobbieMac Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    Has there been any Apple input on this forum?  I would like to know that this is going to be fixed in Mountain Lion.  I don't see any indication that Apple even acknowledges that they caused this problem.   How about some Apple help here?

  • Superfly-SP Calculating status...

    hello APPLE ?????  anyone there?

  • Craig Best Level 4 Level 4 (1,145 points)

    I'll just wait and see if Mountain Lion fixes things, in the mean time I've moved the HDD plugged into the router and it will now be another USB drive plugged into the new iMac... when Apple releases it LOL

  • Ken Clarke Calculating status...

    Craig

    This isn't something that Apple are likely to "fix" as it was an intentional change.

     

    Apple no longer wish to support legacy file sharing protocols as they are "insecure" compared to what is now currently available.

     

    I spent hours on the phone to Apple, it is something that their own engineers are frustrated with but, as I say very unlikely to change and they haven't formally acknowledged people are p***ed off with it.

     

    Unfortunately, the only option I found was to upgrade my NAS to one that is "Apple compatible" - that is until their next upgrade!

     

    All the best,

  • Craig Best Level 4 Level 4 (1,145 points)

    I get that Apple probably won't 'fix' it which is a shame as I have a near new router which I was using as a NAS but hooking up a USB HDD, unfortunately it wasn't working with Lion and I got it less than a year ago, after Lion was released, it should be compatible.

     

    Right now my only network HDDs are inside a WinXP PC which is much older, all other drives (4x 2Tb) are running off my Mac and will hook right up to my new iMac.

  • Superfly-SP Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    ended up at buying an new NAS... that is frustrating enough.. but the time it took to figure out because Apple doenst mention it anywhere... annoying

  • t-bird.de Calculating status...

    That's the point: Apple did not mention it CLEARLY before!

     

    It's a shame. Thousands of people own older NAS (me too) and I earn my money supporting those NAS.

     

    What do you think my customers will say if I tell them: "I cannot support your hardware. Buy a new one."

     

    I'll restore my system back to Snow Leopard. It's too bad about the money. Not for the ML App but all the other software upgrades with costs.

  • Craig Best Level 4 Level 4 (1,145 points)

    I was wondering does anyone make a USB NAS hub? something you could take any USB ext HDD hook them up and share them over a network. Idealy it would have say 4 USB ports for 4 HDDs

     

    If I get a NAS it will be after I get my new iMac and make sure it works with ML.

  • BobbieMac Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    So the big news is that Apple's Genius Bar says simply,"Time Machine won't always work over a network."   Pressed for more detail, I could only get "if you want Time Machine to work, attach a hard drive with USB or Firewire."   Basically that has been my problem.  I can see the disk drives on my Mac Mini server (which is running Mountain Lion Server) from my Macs running Mountain Lion.   Can read and write as appropriate, but Time Machine doesn't work. 

     

    I have downloaded, but not configured, an app called "Carbon Copy Cloner" which seems to work-at least it finds the network drives which is more than Time Machine does.  More when I have it working completely.  I will say that the download is free for the first 30 days, so you get a chance to use it before paying. 

     

    My conclusions: 

     

    1) TIme Machine DOESN'T work over a network.   I wasted many hours trying to get it running reliably.

    2) Apple has not been willing to deal with the network issues introduced by the recent OS upgrades.   We need to hold their feet to the fire in every possible way. 

  • Craig Best Level 4 Level 4 (1,145 points)

    I've used CCC for years with a FW HDD and it works great, a few months back I needed to repair a problem with my main HDD so just booted off the backup and it worked great, fixed the minor problem and booted back to my normal HDD.

     

    I looked at getting Apple Time Capsule but decided to just get another (bigger) FW HDD from my next iMac, I will however be switching to Time Machine. I'm also considering periodic CCC backups to a 2nd HDD, once a week. After a scare a few years back I say you can't have too many backups!

  • Ken Clarke Level 1 Level 1 (20 points)

    BobbieMac

    You can't say it "DOESN'T" work over a network when it clearly does.

     

    I've had Time Machine running over USB for years and over a network for a couple more. The only issue I ever encountered was the support for my old NAS when upgrading to Lion ( as posted earlier in this discussion ).

     

    Please stick to the facts as comments like that do not help newcomers troubleshoot problems

  • BobbieMac Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    You probably should reread what I said and which was a pretty accurate quote of the Genius Bar guy.   I said that the Genius Bar said, "Time Machine doesn't always work over a network."    For me it was a very important statement because it stopped me wasting time on Time Machine and got me looking at other back-up solutions.  The other solutions appear to work and I'll report when I am sure that they do. 

     

    When Time Machine did work, and it did for brief periods, it was extremely slow after Lion.   There is still some issue in the network protocols(?) that seem to cause very slow performance across the network.   I will be looking to see if this is also a Time Machine problems or whether it is indeed mainly in Time Machine. 

  • Klaus Blume Level 2 Level 2 (305 points)

    I am sorry, I am a late comer to this conversation. I am willing to give the Unix commands in Terminal a try, but I am confused which script to use. I tend to go for the one that Apple suggests, but some lines appear to be clipped, and I am not sure what they should read (-array) (-arrays) ?

     

    http://support.apple.com/kb/HT4700?viewlocale=en_US&locale=en_US

     

    On the other hand this looks much simpler:

     

    http://krypted.com/mac-os-x/making-my-nas-work-in-lion/

     

    Any suggestions?

     

    Thanks,

     

    Klaus

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