12 Replies Latest reply: Sep 1, 2012 4:19 AM by Julian Wright
Arturo67 Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

Hi, I contacted Midrosoft Office 2011 developers and they told me that it is Apples responsability to develop the icloud plug in for Office 2011.

 

Does anyone know if Apple has any plans to develop the plug-in? Is there anyway to contact Apple to ask them?

 

Cheers


Mac mini, Mac OS X (10.7.3), Icloud for Office 2011
  • 1. Re: Will Apple develope icloud plugin for Office 2011?
    Winston Churchill Level 10 Level 10 (81,980 points)

    Welcome to the Apple Community.

     

    Other third party developers don't appear to have needed Apple to code their software to work with iCloud. I really don't know enough to be sure, but I very much doubt it's Apple's job to make Office work with iCloud.

  • 2. Re: Will Apple develope icloud plugin for Office 2011?
    Csound1 Level 8 Level 8 (35,365 points)

    Microsoft made the changes required for iCloud compatibility to Outlook for Windows, but not to Outlook for Mac, as Apple don't make Microsoft Office there is nothing they can do about that.

  • 3. Re: Will Apple develope icloud plugin for Office 2011?
    Arturo67 Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    Interesting. The Office 2011 developers from microsoft told me:

     

    That the icloud plug in for Office 2007 windows version was developed by APPLE and there for it is APPLEs responsability to do the same for Office 2011 for mac.

     

    So it seems that noone will take up this issue (APPLE and MICROSOFT).

     

    Is there a site or place where one can communicate this issue to the icloud developers from APPLE?

  • 4. Re: Will Apple develope icloud plugin for Office 2011?
    Csound1 Level 8 Level 8 (35,365 points)

    Arturo67 wrote:

     

    Interesting. The Office 2011 developers from microsoft told me:

     

    That the icloud plug in for Office 2007 windows version was developed by APPLE and there for it is APPLEs responsability to do the same for Office 2011 for mac.

     

    So it seems that noone will take up this issue (APPLE and MICROSOFT).

     

    Is there a site or place where one can communicate this issue to the icloud developers from APPLE?

     

    Microsoft have been behind the curve with Outlook 2011 since it came out, no support for Mobile Me on release, by the time it was added (by Microsoft) Mobile Me was ending (and MS never managed to getthe calendar working on Mobile Me, let alone iCloud) Face facts, MS don't really care about your use of iCloud, they would prefer you to use their system, Exchange (which is admittedly excellent, and more to the point is a Microsoft product)

     

    The bottom line is that Outlook 2011 does not support WebDav standards, Outlook 2007 and 2010 do, and have done so since long before iCloud existed. Dump MS and your problems will go away.

  • 5. Re: Will Apple develope icloud plugin for Office 2011?
    sigiwi1969 Level 1 Level 1 (5 points)

    Google did it.

    Google programmed a Plug in for there Google Docs for Office 2003, 2007 and 2011 for Windows.

     

    So all they excuses I can read here I don't understand, if Apple is willing to do a Plugin they should be able, except Google programmers are better than Apple programmers ;-)

  • 6. Re: Will Apple develope icloud plugin for Office 2011?
    JB_1Rush Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    The fact is that Apple should have made dang sure the biggest business software package used by small businesses and corporate America was compatible from day one for any changes in the Apple ecosystem.  If Microsoft was not allocating enough resources to develop the iCloud integration on their side, or if Apple didn't do their part is not the question.

     

    The REAL question is why would Apple not make sure business users were not going to get a raw deal and bad experience.  Many of us need to use Microsoft Office including Outlook for our jobs and collaboration with employees, vendors, and customers.  Heck, why not partner with Microsoft in the beginning to develop a seamless solution for Mac users?  Why not "incentivise" Microsoft to allocate more resources to the solution.

     

    I am a huge supporter of Apple products, but if Apple really wants to break into the enterprise market they cannot keep making changes to the OS every year that breaks compatibility with key services and software.  Apple typically responds by saying just use the OSX solution.  GIVE ME A BREAK!  That would be the equivalent of Microsoft telling users to not worry about using Outlook for Windows just use the built in tools or WebApps instead.

     

    Microsoft does one thing I have always agreed with - they are very careful about eliminating compability in their software and services.  They try to find the right balance between advancing the platform versus making any upgrade transition.

     

    I hope an Apple moderator is reading this post because these kinds of issues make it difficult for me to keep using a Mac.  If Apple wants to play in the enterprise with Microsoft for desktop, mobile, tablet, etc.. - they need to be careful about these kinds of changes.  At a minimum, they could have left the MobileMe functionality running until a workable solution was available.

  • 7. Re: Will Apple develope icloud plugin for Office 2011?
    Julian Wright Level 7 Level 7 (34,840 points)

    What?

     

    iCloud uses the industry standard, cross-platform CalDAV and CardDAV protocols. They are the most compatible, platform independent protocols available, used by most online calendar and contact sync systems.

     

    It is not Apple's fault that Microsoft chooses not to support these standards in their Mac products.

     

    You would rather Apple and Microsoft develops yet another proprietary sync protocol? Moving away from non-standard, proprietary technologies is not a solution.

     

    If Microsoft won't support existing, established, industry-standard protocols in their products, what makes you think they would work with Apple to support another proprietary, non-standard protocol? Microsoft just want people to use their own proprietary Exchange system.

     

    Regardless, iCloud is not designed as a business level service. It is a simple, consumer level service for keeping contacts and calendars in sync between computers and iOS devices. It omits many of the collaborative features a business-level service contains.

  • 8. Re: Will Apple develope icloud plugin for Office 2011?
    pvonk Level 6 Level 6 (13,685 points)

    Well said, Julian!

  • 9. Re: Will Apple develope icloud plugin for Office 2011?
    Julian Wright Level 7 Level 7 (34,840 points)
    Moving away from non-standard, proprietary technologies is not a solution.

     

    Oops! That should read as "Moving back to", not "Moving away from"! D'oh!

  • 10. Re: Will Apple develope icloud plugin for Office 2011?
    JB_1Rush Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    I think you are missing my point.  I am not saying Apple should not use industry standards.  I agree with your comments from a technical point of view.  My point is more from a business perspective.  Businesses primarily run MS Office for Windows with Exchange.  Apple's next growth area outside of China and the developing world is within the enterprise market.  If an organization is going to allow Macs in their environment they are going to have to run Microsoft Office.  You can run Office for Mac and it will work great on a network from a desktop standpoint, but it will not sync to an iOS device from Outlook because of the lack of this functionality.  Most of us in my company have company phones and other devices that tie in with our desktop and network.

     

    All Apple would have to have done was work with Microsoft to ensure Office was updated to allow for this compatibility.  If market share didn't dictate to Microsoft to work on such a project then form some kind of partnership up front to ensure compatibility.

     

    That is all I am saying.  Who knows why either company didn't pay attention to this issue.  Maybe they did but couldn't agree on a solution.  It doesn't matter in the end.

     

    The real point is that the enterprise is still dominated by Microsoft.  If Apple wants a piece of it - they have to make sure enterprise customers have a seamless experience like other Windows users in their organization.  Otherwise, Apple will never get any market share in the enterprise market.

     

    Who knows - maybe Apple has made a decision to not go aggressively after this market.

  • 11. Re: Will Apple develope icloud plugin for Office 2011?
    Csound1 Level 8 Level 8 (35,365 points)

    JB_1Rush wrote:

     

    I think you are missing my point.  I am not saying Apple should not use industry standards.  I agree with your comments from a technical point of view.  My point is more from a business perspective.  Businesses primarily run MS Office for Windows with Exchange.  Apple's next growth area outside of China and the developing world is within the enterprise market.  If an organization is going to allow Macs in their environment they are going to have to run Microsoft Office.  You can run Office for Mac and it will work great on a network from a desktop standpoint, but it will not sync to an iOS device from Outlook because of the lack of this functionality.  Most of us in my company have company phones and other devices that tie in with our desktop and network.

     

    As you said, Businesses use Exchange, and so can your phone, your pad/pod blackberry android etc. Why on earth do you want to replace a system that has 20 years behind it and works on just about anything with a free consumer system, is your IT dept mad?

  • 12. Re: Will Apple develope icloud plugin for Office 2011?
    Julian Wright Level 7 Level 7 (34,840 points)

    How do you know Apple DIDN'T try to work with Microsoft to get them to support iCloud?

     

    Perhaps Apple tried and Microsoft weren't interested? What then? Apple can't force Microsoft to update Office, and can't do it for them.

     

    As I mentioned, iCloud is not aimed at enterprise users. You already have Microsoft's Exchange system for that purpose which already works with Macs, PCs, iOS devices etc.