10 Replies Latest reply: Aug 30, 2012 5:32 PM by Csound1
MasterOlive Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

As the title says, my MBP HD is broken from water damage.

Its a really odd situation, however, If I hold option during boot up the drives show up accordingly, and I can choose my mac partition and windows bootcamp partition like normal, its just that my mac's partition wont start up, but my windows 7 partition will!?

 

I cranked up a few games on high quality to see what would happen, and everything works perfectly fine.

I was even able to go online, open files, documents, and view pictures. I can even see my macintosh drive, and pull files from it, So I'm able to pull the important things I didn't back up, so its ok now.

 

My question for you guys is this:

What windows program is similar to Super Duper, or Carbon Copy Cloner?

Can I back up my macintosh drive on a bootable partition through windows 7 platform!?

 

Im replacing my HD, and the only way I can access my mac's files is by activating my windows partition, so how can I clone my entire Core Hard drive through windows so I can boot it back onto a new one?


MacBook Pro, Mac OS X (10.7.3), Windows 7 Bootcamp
  • 1. Re: MBP Shot from water damage... But windows partition works!? -How 2 backup clone?
    ds store Level 7 Level 7 (30,305 points)

    There are moisture sensors in Mac's that are triggered, however only OS X can use them, why Windows boots and not OS X.

     

    Seems stupid, but that's how Apple has got the thing, bricking the machine.

     

     

    Grab your files off from both partitions to a external drive.

     

     

    Windows doesn't natively read the HFS+ file format of OS X, unless MacDrive is installed in Windows.

     

     

    Your computer is toast, cloning OS X won't help any as your looking at a new machine purchase, or continue to use that one in Windows only.

     

    You can take the machine into Apple and see if they can reset the sensors, that's about it.

     

     

    The  drive can be removed from the machine, and a SATA to USB adpater and Apple's Migration/Setup Assistant used to transfer to a new Mac.

  • 2. Re: MBP Shot from water damage... But windows partition works!? -How 2 backup clone?
    MasterOlive Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    Well I'm sending out my MBP to a personal fried who's a renowned computer tech and he will be migrating the HD and giving me a new one.

     

    I'm not sure how to reset the sensors myself but I'm sure he does, and I also played minecraft and ran a bunch of heavy programs the other night to see if it would give out but It ran as if nothing was wrong, So I'm sure its a HD malfunction on the first partition.

     

    How is my whole computer toast if everything works properly?

    It been taken apart, dried and everything was checked, but the computer glitches up and freezes after the apple loading screen when I turn it on.

    But If I hold down option, its displays properly and lets me choose witch drive to boot up.

    If my machine was toast, wouldn't it not be able to do all of those tasks flawlessly on the windows?

  • 3. Re: MBP Shot from water damage... But windows partition works!? -How 2 backup clone?
    ds store Level 7 Level 7 (30,305 points)

    MasterOlive wrote:

     

    So I'm sure its a HD malfunction on the first partition.

     

    How is my whole computer toast if everything works properly?

     

    It been taken apart, dried and everything was checked, but the computer glitches up and freezes after the apple loading screen when I turn it on.

     

    But If I hold down option, its displays properly and lets me choose witch drive to boot up.

     

    If my machine was toast, wouldn't it not be able to do all of those tasks flawlessly on the windows?

     

    I've seen this problem many times here. After a water spill, OS X won't boot but Windows or Linux will.

     

    The hard drive is sealed shut at the factory to keep dust/dirt out and off the sensitive platters, so the water couldn't have come in just to ruin the OS X partition.

     

    I've just dissected my 2007 MBP yesterday and saw the liquid sensors near the fans mounted to the bottom of the case for myself.

     

     

    It's something Apple does with OS X, if the moisture sensors are triggered OS X will not boot, but Windows or Linux will because Apple doesn't write code to refuse those operating systems to boot if the sensors are triggered.

     

    Take your Mac to a Genius Bar and see if the sensors can be reset. If not your looking at a new Mac or using that one in Windows until it dies.

     

    It seems Apple wants people to bring the machine in right away after a liquid spill.

     

    It's been my experience to not even bother trying to get it fixed, unless it's a very minor spill on the keyboard only, because one thing fails, then another, then another (due to rust effects) until it's way more than a brand new machine. Unfortunatly rust takes time to do it's damage, that's why I say your machine is toast, it soon will be in most cases.

     

    Usually a Mac will totally fail after a liquid spill, your lucky it's still working, but it won't for long, unless it's only the keyboard, then sometimes replacing that will be enough and it will work just fine.

     

    You won't know what sensors have been triggered unless you get a Genius to hook it to their diagnostic machine and tell you.

     

    Good luck.

  • 4. Re: MBP Shot from water damage... But windows partition works!? -How 2 backup clone?
    Grant Bennet-Alder Level 8 Level 8 (49,250 points)

    There are moisture sensors in Mac's that are triggered, however only OS X can use them, why Windows boots and not OS X.

    I have never heard of that. I cannot imagine they would dedicate a sensor to water detection under program control. And some portion of those sensors would malfunction, we would have heard compaints about false positives.

     

    I know they use moisture tattletale tape spots inside, but a sensor?

     

    ¿ Do you have a credible source that supports that assertion ??

  • 5. Re: MBP Shot from water damage... But windows partition works!? -How 2 backup clone?
    Courcoul Level 6 Level 6 (11,470 points)

    Agree! The so-called "sensors" are really moisture sensitive paper strips glued onto crucial positions on the boards. You make it sound like they were some weird Machiavellian devices lurking in the dark just waiting to pounce. Next time I crack'er open to put my 16GB RAM kit in, I'll be sure to take a few pics to end this urban myth.

  • 6. Re: MBP Shot from water damage... But windows partition works!? -How 2 backup clone?
    ds store Level 7 Level 7 (30,305 points)

    Grant Bennet-Alder wrote:

     

    I know they use moisture tattletale tape spots inside, but a sensor?

     

    Yes, the rat tape, but perhaps I'm mistaken a bit, perhaps the POST checks for shorts or something, remmebers that and then OS X isn't allowed to  boot, however Windows or Linux will.

     

    I've seen this issue crop up here before,  a liquid spill with a user that has dual OS's installed is a rare occurance.Windows boots and not OS X.

     

    Since liquid spills are a big deal with Apple, I wouldn't be surprised for time and labor savings that the Genius conmector will tell them right away about a major liquid spill, thus suggesting something electronic is involved, the rat tape is physical confirmation once it gets to the shop.

     

     

    Best course of action is to physiclly remove the drive and use a SATA to USB adapter to another Mac to grab files.

     

    If the OP gets a same exact machine as a replacement, the hold option key can be used to boot from the drive and Carbon Copy Cloner to the duplicate machine, thus preserving everything.

     

    Else a different model of Mac, then Setup or Migration Assitant will bring programs and files over.

     

    http://eshop.macsales.com/installvideos/

  • 7. Re: MBP Shot from water damage... But windows partition works!? -How 2 backup clone?
    MasterOlive Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    I understand the importance of getting a new machine after water damage and contacting apple tech's,

    But Im not sure if you noticed in my post where I explained that I had taken the MBP apart right away after it was rained on.

     

    It was shut and left in heavy rain for about 10 minuets.

    After I retrieved it, It was still working when I lifted the screen back up to turn it off.

    At this point we took it apart, every peace that could be disconnected was taken out, dried, and set under a hair dryer for a long time.

     

    I understand rust is a problem but Im positive I got all of the water out, so what now?

     

    Do you suggest I just replace the whole machine, but salvage my RAM and HD so I don't have to pay big bucks again? I've been using the machine for 2 days now and its shown no problems.

  • 8. Re: MBP Shot from water damage... But windows partition works!? -How 2 backup clone?
    Grant Bennet-Alder Level 8 Level 8 (49,250 points)

    If I hold option during boot up the drives show up accordingly

    Then processor and RAM are working fine.

     

     

    my mac's partition wont start up

    Then your Mac partition is damaged, or less likely, your Hard drive is damaged.

     

    ¿Have you booted to the Recovery_HD and tried to repair the Hard drive?

  • 9. Re: MBP Shot from water damage... But windows partition works!? -How 2 backup clone?
    Csound1 Level 8 Level 8 (35,315 points)

    ds store wrote:

     

    Since liquid spills are a big deal with Apple,

    Liquid spills onto an electrically powered device are a big deal, doesn't matter who made the machine, or the liquid come to think.

  • 10. Re: MBP Shot from water damage... But windows partition works!? -How 2 backup clone?
    Csound1 Level 8 Level 8 (35,315 points)

    MasterOlive wrote:

     

    As the title says, my MBP HD is broken from water damage.

    Its a really odd situation, however, If I hold option during boot up the drives show up accordingly, and I can choose my mac partition and windows bootcamp partition like normal, its just that my mac's partition wont start up, but my windows 7 partition will!?

     

    I cranked up a few games on high quality to see what would happen, and everything works perfectly fine.

    I was even able to go online, open files, documents, and view pictures. I can even see my macintosh drive, and pull files from it, So I'm able to pull the important things I didn't back up, so its ok now.

     

    My question for you guys is this:

    What windows program is similar to Super Duper, or Carbon Copy Cloner?

    Can I back up my macintosh drive on a bootable partition through windows 7 platform!?

     

    Im replacing my HD, and the only way I can access my mac's files is by activating my windows partition, so how can I clone my entire Core Hard drive through windows so I can boot it back onto a new one?

    Get a copy of Carbon Copy Cloner (CCC) use the 'Block Copy' method to make a clone of your OSX Partition, then (when the new drive is installed) attach it as an external, check whether it boots or not and if not access it at the file/folder level with Finder and get what you need.