Currently Being ModeratedAug 30, 2012 7:15 PM (in response to bgraydaisy)
The only thing left in Aperture is your Previews (and any Originals that were Managed -- worth a look). The Previews are whatever size you set when they were made. The current setting can be seen at "Aperture➞Preferences➞Previews". 60 KB seems small -- but I don't know what size and compression you used.
As long as your HD is physically intact, you should be able to recover all but a small amount of data. You might ask around for other prices and/or methods. What was the diagnosis of the failure?
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Currently Being ModeratedAug 31, 2012 9:47 AM (in response to Kirby Krieger)
Ok, thanks. Sigh. I was hoping there was a magic bullet.
I don't have a diagnosos yet. Just sent it off. I am going ot contact someone else today to see if their price range is better. Do you have any frame of reference for prices? Did the range they gave me seem high?
As for backup, I am forever changed. (all of the lost data was my personal work, family etc.) I now have two externals, one for Time Machine, and one to house my Aperture Libraries, and am in the process of backing everything up to Backblaze. After that I'm also going to save all of my selects to my smugmug account.
Thank you for your help/candor.
Currently Being ModeratedAug 31, 2012 10:22 AM (in response to bgraydaisy)
The data recovery price range is what I am accustomed to. I would like a reference to the $750 quote in fact.
Currently Being ModeratedSep 1, 2012 9:23 AM (in response to SierraDragon)
Every morning, at 4 am, my computer wakes itself up, superduper launches, and backs up three different drives, and then quits. once every two weeks I archive.. Backup the backup drives.
Currently Being ModeratedSep 4, 2012 2:08 PM (in response to Kirby Krieger)
So my diagnosis came back as "Logical Corruption." $1530-$1800.
They have a "JPEG recovery only" option for $855.
So my next question is twofold:
1) Will there be a full size JPEG of each RAW image on there?
2) And what will it/they be; only edited versions? original RAW/JPEG conversions? or something more like an un converted JPEG of the RAW file? (if that makes sense, I'm not sure how to describe)
I'm asking this here, because I don't know how much the recovery people know about what Aperture does with files in referenced libraries, and I want as much information as possible before I call. And because I have NO clue myself.
Thank you again, in advance.
Currently Being ModeratedSep 4, 2012 3:32 PM (in response to bgraydaisy)
The "JPEG only" option may mostly mean "image files of one type only." Ask them if you can ask for your RAW file type only (e.g. .NEF, .CRW or whatever).
We need to know what file types you originally captured in (RAW, RAW+JPEG, TIFF, JPEG) and your capture workflow and settings in precise detail to have any idea of what JPEGs may be on the failed external drive.
For instance I use a Referenced-Originals worklfow and capture in RAW+JPEG so both file types will be on the external drive that the Aperture Library references to. If I only shot RAW then only RAW would be pointed to on the external drive, and whatever JPEG Previews Aperture created would be on the same drive as the Aperture Library (apparently the internal drive in your case).
Currently Being ModeratedSep 4, 2012 5:38 PM (in response to SierraDragon)
Only shoot RAW. And I don't think they have a RAW only option. Big learning experience. Thanks for the help.
Currently Being ModeratedSep 4, 2012 8:12 PM (in response to bgraydaisy)
So I would be very specific with the data recovery folks about only recovering your specific RAW file type because any JPEGs that exist will be those Aperture created as Previews, and those will be on the Library drive. I would think that recovering any specific file type should be similar for .NEF as it is for .jpg files, except for the much larger RAW file sizes.
Currently Being ModeratedSep 5, 2012 4:02 PM (in response to bgraydaisy)
Spoke with the data recovery people again. They do not have a .nef only option. They have developed the .jpg only option (special way of doing it) because of demand, but it would not apply to .nef files.
My workflow before the HD failed was: shoot RAW, import into Aperture stored on the ExHD as referenced files.
In the very beginning, I was just storing them in Aperture on the computer, and letting Time Machine backup to the ExHD. As I started running out of room, I changed to referenced, and also began the time consuming process of changing the previously managed files to referenced.
I had been waiting until I had all of my managed files changed to referenced to then buy a new ExHD and back my libraries up to that. Waited too long...
So what i am missing from Aperture is 22k referenced files: 3k jpg & 19k nef. and 21k managed files. The data recovery people say they can see 50ishk nef files and 18k jpg. which seems about right...
I wonder if there is any data recovery comapny ou tthere that is geared to photographers, who might have a .nef only option? Anyone know?
Thanks again for your help.
Currently Being ModeratedSep 5, 2012 4:04 PM (in response to bgraydaisy)
sorry, the 21k managed, I'm not missing from Aperture. Those are what I still have on my computer.
Currently Being ModeratedSep 5, 2012 7:01 PM (in response to bgraydaisy)
How did the drive 'tank'? Did it still spin up? Did OS X see it? There are a umber of Data recovery applications out there, Google Data Recovery Mac to find them.
Depending on how the drive failed and what has been done to it since, one of these options might be of help. I know of a number of users who have used these apps and have had success.
The one thing working in your favor is that as referenced masters the files were (are) just sitting there in a normal folder configuration. No complicated data structure to have to try and drill into.
Message was edited by: Frank Caggiano - Also remember if worst comes to worst you should still have the Aperture previews in the library. Depending on your previews settings these, while not RAW files, might still be useable for most applications.
Currently Being ModeratedSep 6, 2012 8:56 AM (in response to Frank Caggiano)
The drive still spun, but osx didnt see it. Since I couldn't even see it on my computer, and I don't know enough about any of this to make the right decisions, and I had so much to lose, I didn't try anything at home.
The recovery people have offered to do a full recovery for me for $850. I figured it was best to take it, hope they ge everything I need and be done with it.
I used the "no larger than 1/2 size preview" option, and my old files are 6mb, but the previews are all under 100kb. Not sure why they are that small.
At the $1800 rate, only keeping the previews was a viable option since this won't be a business expense. But for $850, there are enough enlargement worthy images in there to make it worthwhile.
Thanks for the help.
Currently Being ModeratedSep 6, 2012 11:45 AM (in response to bgraydaisy)
"Size" in the phrase "1/2 size Preview" refers to the pixel dimensions, not the bytes required for storage. The bytes required for storage are determined by the pixel dimensions, the bit-depth, and the file format. The most significant part of the file format is whether compression is applied, and how much. Aperture's Previews are all JPEG. Just below the drop-down list of sizes (at "Aperture➞Preferences➞Previews") is a slider for quality. The higher the quality, the less the file is compressed.
It is not usual for a half-size JPEG of a 6 MB Original to be 100 KB.
Fwiw, one of the reasons for the settings I use is to have an additional (though smaller) copy of my work should I lose an Original and all copies of it. I set all Libraries to make Previews of every Image, 1440 x 1440, quality 10. I am happy to purchase the storage space this requires.