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mr88cet Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)
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Sep 6, 2012 8:33 AM

Any ideas how I can find the names of iOS' Simplified Chinese fonts?

 

Background:  iOS has two Simplified Chinese fonts, one of which is perfectly reasonable, but the other is ... bizarre!  If your iOS device was brought up in English, and then you add Simplified Chinese as an International keyboard, it gives you the "bizarre" font.  If you then change your device's screen language to Simplified Chinese, it switches over to the normal-looking font (thank you!), and it stays using the correct font, even if you switch your screen language back to English.

 

My wife and step-daughter, from Harbin in Northwest China, agree that it looks really bizarre, and attrribute it to weird things computers do.  I personally think it goes way beyond font stylization;  I think that font is just plain wrong, pure and simple!  Strokes are missing or added, entire pieces of characters are drawn entirely incorrectly, "dian" strokes are replaced with "shu wan gou" strokes, etc.

 

I have my iOS devices set to use the correct font, but I'm finding that a few programs (including Rosetta Stone, eeeeeek!) use the el-bizarro font.  I'd like to request that these programs switch over to the correct font, and petition Apple to excise the bizarre font entirely from iOS.  To do that, however, I'd have to know what that font is called.  Any ideas how I can find out?

iPhone 4, iOS 5
  • wjosten Level 10 Level 10 (91,290 points)
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    Sep 6, 2012 8:44 AM (in response to mr88cet)

    Don't know if this is of any help, but here's a list of iOS fonts:

     

    http://support.apple.com/kb/HT4980

  • Tom Gewecke Level 9 Level 9 (70,815 points)
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    Sep 6, 2012 9:47 AM (in response to mr88cet)

    mr88cet wrote:

     

    Thanks for the reply!  I'm also not sure whether it'll help, but I'll look into it further.

     

    Are you perhaps unaware of the differences between Japanese and Chinese fonts for Han characters?  If so, that may explain your reaction.  Which of the two kinds of fonts gets used depends on the order of the languages in the settings.  Switching your user interface to Chinese will move that language to the top and switch the font from the Japanese version to the Chinese version if the former was previously higher on the list.

     

    Of course Apple is not going to remove the Japanese font.  But you could ask Apple to make a separate setting for this particular item (I think there was one in an early version of iOS).

     

    http://m10lmac.blogspot.com/2011/11/fixing-chinese-display-in-ios.html

     

    To ask Apple:

     

    http://www.apple.com/feedback/iphone.html

  • Tom Gewecke Level 9 Level 9 (70,815 points)
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    Sep 6, 2012 10:50 AM (in response to mr88cet)

    mr88cet wrote:

     

    However, this bizarre font couldn't possibly be a Japanese font, because it is very definitely Simplified Chinese (e.g., its "yanzi pang" is 讠 instead of 言), whereas Kanji is based upon Traditional Chinese.  Simplified was invented when the CCP came into power, so it's not used in Taiwan or Hong Kong, much less Japan. 

     

    Could you provide screen shots of a few more characters (with identification) which you think are defective Simplified Chinese and not Japanese?  Email me if you like (tom at bluesky dot org).  I'm not aware of anyone else, here or in the Chinese Mac group, who has found an issue like this with the only Chinese fonts (STHeiti SC/TC) in iOS.  The Japanese font is Hiragino.

  • Tom Gewecke Level 9 Level 9 (70,815 points)
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    Sep 7, 2012 5:10 AM (in response to mr88cet)

    You should be able to upload a graphic by clicking on the camera icon at the top of the reply window.  Or just email me.

     

    Is the one easy example you found by chance men2?  That one is a known bug/oddity in the Hiragino Japanese font.

     

    http://m10lmac.blogspot.com/2011/09/odd-chinese-display-issue.html

  • Tom Gewecke Level 9 Level 9 (70,815 points)
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    Sep 7, 2012 6:06 AM (in response to mr88cet)

    mr88cet wrote:

     

      So you're saying that the Hiragino Japanese font also does that?  Why the heck would it do that?  I've seen an advertisement in Japanese wherein the equivalent character matches Traditional Chinese.

     

     

    Japanese text will probably never have in it the simplified Chinese character for men2, so the bug in the font only affects people trying to read simplified Chinese with the wrong font.

     

    The Japanese font may include lots of additional simplified Chinese characters that would not normally occur in Japanese text.    I am curious to see others that deviate from what one finds in Chinese fonts.

  • Tom Gewecke Level 9 Level 9 (70,815 points)
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    Sep 7, 2012 6:16 AM (in response to mr88cet)

    mr88cet wrote:

     

    Oh, another easily-visible illustration that it is definitely a Simplified-Chinese font, is that the very-common "ge4" character is the usual Simplified-Chinese character that looks kinda like an arrow pointing upward, whereas in Traditional, it's a very complicated character.

     

     

    That's fine, it is still a Japanese font.  It just has SC characters in it too.  The traditional or kanji character is distinct and has a different codepoint.

     

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