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  • 15. Re: Bizarre Simplified Chinese Font
    mr88cet Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    In any case, what I'd like to know mostly is what this "weird" font is called, so that I can request that Rosetta Stone use the "normal" font instead, and also to request that Apple toss it entirely from iOS.  Any idea what that font is called?

  • 16. Re: Bizarre Simplified Chinese Font
    Tom Gewecke Level 9 Level 9 (71,715 points)

    mr88cet wrote:

     

    so that I can request that Rosetta Stone use the "normal" font instead

     

    The normal font is STHeitiSC.

     

    Apple cannot toss the other font you are seeing because it is required to display Japanese.  It can also display Simplified Chinese, but so far you have only provided the men2 case where this display is incorrect.  Are not both ge2 and jian4 displayed correctly?   I am looking for SC characters which are not being displayed the way they should be.

     

    I've been able to upload screenshots made with my computer here (png format) via the camera icon without problem.  What format are you using?  It needs to be a graphic.

  • 17. Re: Bizarre Simplified Chinese Font
    Tom Gewecke Level 9 Level 9 (71,715 points)

    Jian4 is also included in the Japanese font.  The traditional or kanji character used in Japanese text is distinct and has a different codepoint.

     

    Screen Shot 2012-09-07 at 9.18.02 AM.png

  • 18. Re: Bizarre Simplified Chinese Font
    Tom Gewecke Level 9 Level 9 (71,715 points)

    PS Here are some examples taken from Wikipedia where using a Japanese font will produce simplified chinese characters different than what a Chinese font will produce:

     

    Screen Shot 2012-09-07 at 11.02.43 AM.png

  • 19. Re: Bizarre Simplified Chinese Font
    mr88cet Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    Ah, I just remembered that I was able to type Chinese characters correctly in this forum software.  They won't look weird here, because the font here is correct, but...

     

    Yes, "见" and "个" are correct in this weird font. 

     

    Characters like the following are "wrong" in that font, although they're correct in this font:  门,房,扇,喝,外,八,孩,包,今,收 (only slightly weird),空,哪 (slightly),系,冷,臭,治 (slightly),步 (slightly),么 (slightly),苹...

     

    STHeitiSC, you say.  Good info, thanks!

     

    I don't suppose you know what the good font on the iOS devices is called - the one where, for example, the above characters look like shown above?  Or is that just another part of the same STHeitiSC font?

  • 20. Re: Bizarre Simplified Chinese Font
    mr88cet Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    Yip, that's them alright!  Dang, they're annoying...

     

    So then, I can't ask Apple to whack that font entirely, but I can try to get Rosetta Stone to use the correct font.  Or is it the correct portion of the same single font.

     

    I'll probably ask Apple to not use that portion of the font, and always make iOS devices display Simplified characters as if I'd selected Simplified as the screen language.

     

    What's the Wikipedia link for that?

  • 21. Re: Bizarre Simplified Chinese Font
    mr88cet Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    mr88cet wrote:

     

    So then, I can't ask Apple to whack that font entirely, but I can try to get Rosetta Stone to use the correct font.  Or is it the correct portion of the same single font.

    Sorry, I intended that last line to be a question:  Do you know whether the correct Simplified characters - the ones you get after you switch your screen language over to Chinese - are all part of the same STHeitiSC font but in a different code range, or as opposed to an entirely separate font altogether?

  • 22. Re: Bizarre Simplified Chinese Font
    Tom Gewecke Level 9 Level 9 (71,715 points)

    mr88cet wrote:

     

    Characters like the following

     

    Here is a graphic showing the characters first in a Japanese font and second in the HeitiSC Chinese font:

     

    Screen Shot 2012-09-07 at 11.45.39 AM.png

     

    The wikipedia link for my list is at

     

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Han_unification

  • 23. Re: Bizarre Simplified Chinese Font
    Tom Gewecke Level 9 Level 9 (71,715 points)

    To see the Simplified Chinese version of these characters, you want to force the app to use the STHeitiSC font.  On an iOS device, this is normally done my making sure Chinese is higher on the Language list than Japanese.

     

    The Japanese version of these characters is required for Japanese.  If you were reading that language, you would want to force the app to use the Hiragino font (by making sure Japanese is higher than Chinese on the Language list).

     

    Currently that is the only way to make sure the right font is used in iOS devices for these two languages.  Apple cannot change any of the fonts, but you could ask for them to provide an easier setting to select one or the other.

  • 24. Re: Bizarre Simplified Chinese Font
    mr88cet Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    Indeed!

     

    These are really obnoxious when you're trying to use your iPhone as a Chinese-language learning aid.  Then again, I'm partly so annoyed with them because I went years and years constantly having to double-check whether the iPhone is drawing the character correctly or not, and occasionally learning incorrect stroking of a character.  That before I, only a few months ago, finally found the simple-but-obscure solution of switching the screen language (even if only temporarily) over to Simplified.

     

    So I'm a bit disappointed with Rosetta Stone - a premier language-learning program - is using this bizarre character set.  In their partial defense, however, I should point out that this appears to be limited specifically to the "Course" on the iPad.  They're drawn correctly on the Mac, and in the iPhone's "Companion."

  • 25. Re: Bizarre Simplified Chinese Font
    mr88cet Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    On my iPad, where Rosetta Stone is producing the weird characters, I've already done the trick of switching the screen language over to Simplified, then back to English.  The list of languages reads out English, then Simplified, German, French, Japanese, ...  I probably ought to move Traditional up ahead of Japanese, but anyway, Japanese is way below Simplified.  All other apps, or at least all I can recall off the top of my head, are showing Simplified correctly.

  • 26. Re: Bizarre Simplified Chinese Font
    Tom Gewecke Level 9 Level 9 (71,715 points)

    mr88cet wrote:

     

    On my iPad, where Rosetta Stone is producing the weird characters

     

    That seems strange.  I would try deleting the app and then redownloading it.  Also contact RS support about it:

     

    http://success.rosettastone.com/

  • 27. Re: Bizarre Simplified Chinese Font
    mr88cet Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    Deleting the app and reloading it, I haven't tried.  Sounds worth a try.

     

    Contacting the Rosetta Stone folks, yes, that I've already tried.  They don't seem to understand the question, even though I've sent them screenshots, and illustrations of the nature of the problem.  I'm thinking about contacting them again, and asking them to point their developers to this thread in particular.

     

    By the way, do you have a link to the Wiki page from which you copied that set examples of Japanese-Simplified discrepancies?  Searching, I found a few related topics that were interesting, but not that in particular.

  • 28. Re: Bizarre Simplified Chinese Font
    mr88cet Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    Is there any way to move the languages in this list around in the list, other than making that language into the screen language and switching back?

     

    To put them in the order of English, then Simplified, then Traditional, it sounds like I have to switch screen language to Traditional, then to Simplified, and then to English.  Can be done, I suppose, but kinda complicated and indirect...

  • 29. Re: Bizarre Simplified Chinese Font
    Tom Gewecke Level 9 Level 9 (71,715 points)

    mr88cet wrote:

     

    Is there any way to move the languages in this list around in the list, other than making that language into the screen language and switching back?

     

     

    Unfortunately not.