Yvan is running Snow Leopard under emulation in Lion. Starting from an external HD requires the machine to be able to boot from it, and you cannot generally boot a machine with a system earlier than the one it came supplied with. So Macs which have been upgraded from SL to Lion will be fine, but Macs bought with Lion installed may very well not - certainly once there's been a new set of Macs they won't.
Currently Being ModeratedMay 7, 2012 6:50 AM (in response to christopher rigby1)
I'm too burnt out from having to work on crap software all night, but here's a couple of things...
I have 3 other (what do we call them now?) Legacy machines. A 1.25 GHz dual G4 (running OS 9.2 so I can keep Digidesign Sound Designer 2.7 running), a 2.5GHz MBP (the wifey has claimed it though), and a 3.2 GHz x 8 MacPro. Overriding point is... I just spent a total of $1700 on this new 1.83 GHz 11" MacBook Air (primarily to run my Numark NS7 on) that I'm trying to use for schoolwork because of it's portability (back in college at the age of 45) and I can't do any "drawing".
Apple USED to be quite supportive of Legacy stuff. I understand the "spits in the face of profitability" situation that creates for them, but Apple was founded by people that thought outside the box, were trying to "Think Different", etc, etc, etc. Seems that's not the case anymore.
Everything is degenerating towards a mediocre middle.
I shouldn't have to alter my work habits to account for a new piece of software. The new piece of software should be working for me. EazyDraw... is not easy. And Apple isn't offering an alternative. As I see it, this is a SERIOUS oversight on their part.
Nuff said. I'm done with this.
You could always install 10.6.8 on a second partition of the MacBook Air if it is an older Macbook Air. If it is a newer MacBook Air than July 20, 2011, unfortunately you are stuck, and really ought to consider replacing it with an older machine*:
* Links to my pages may give me compensation.
My God, would it have killed them to allow Pages to convert AW files?!
What on earth could they have been thinking would happen to the millions of AW documents made and used by loyal customers all those year?!
Apple really IS turning into Windows, don't ya think? Especially since we can install AW on a Windows partition and then revert back to Windows keep on humming into the future!!!
I can't even get the Thunderbolt port on the new i7 iMac to recognize my Vizio montor the way my older C2D iMac did, and no one at any Apple Store can offer any suggestions even though Apple's web site and little booklet both claim it's possible to use the mini DisplayPort adaptor with a DVI cable to do just that.
I'm totally flabbergasted with Apple at this juncture after having been a fan since the original 64k Mac back in '84!!
What's up with that?
Currently Being ModeratedAug 29, 2012 12:43 PM (in response to Phil Femano)
I completely agree that Apple is playing dirty pool with it’s dedicated consumer base.
I’ve been a Mac user since the company’s inception. What I’m seeing now though is out of control. The planned obsolescence business model is just ridiculous.
For example, I’ve mastered Appleworks, iMovie HD, and iDVD. All of these, however, are totally unsupported and won’t work on Apple’s latest operating systems. Apple couldn’t give a hoot and makes no effort to create machines that will run these “ancient” programs. WHY?? The consumer should, at the very least, have the choice to use the old stuff…no…Apple has had their eyes on my wallet. They get you by the you-know-what by forcing you to “upgrade” (a.k.a. buy their new stuff).
I looked at the new iMovie. I hate it. Why can’t I use the one I’ve mastered?
I looked at Pages. I’m not alone in saying that Appleworks was far superior to this program.
iDVD is no longer available in Mountain Lion and you have to purchase a third party piece of software to burn DVDs. Nice.
So, not only do I have to spend more money if I want to use their stuff, I now have to spend time learning something that’s not so great if I want to use their products. Yeah, yeah, caveat emptor, my ***. I thought tech was supposed to make our lives easier. Apple’s planned obsolescence business plan isn’t exactly a refreshing concept…anything but….in fact, it’s just nasty.
Why doesn’t Apple stand behind their machines? I have a six-year-old iMac. For the second time in two years, I had to bring it in for a new hard drive. The guy at the Apple store laughed and told me if it had busted in another month, Apple wouldn’t have been able to fix it. What?? How can they just toss this machine aside after I spent a couple grand to purchase it just a six years ago? They won’t even fix it? No. In fact, they’re PLANNING on it to go down the tubes, so I can spend more money with them. This is WRONG!
While I understand this happens to an extent in other industries, I don’t understand how Apple is getting away with creating products that will be OBSOLETE…in just five or so years! What the heck? If I buy a car, I don’t expect a mechanic to tell me he or she can’t fix it, even if it’s a 20-year-old car. Yes, some parts may not be the modern standard, but to force me to scrap it is again WRONG.
Now I hear Apple will change their connectors. Chargers won’t fit and people will be forced to scrap their accessories and "update," yet again. Nice. They’ll give you some bogus excuse like “it’s greener” and “saves space” or some ridiculous excuse. While that might be okay on one hand, it’s NOT OKAY to make my iPhone obsolete! NOT FAIR!....and I wouldn't hold my breath for an adaptor, which would make total sense...no...they'll make me buy new stuff or just jump ship, which has always been my option. Little did I know that Apple would become a money hungry glutton.
I believe, at some point, a tipping point will emerge and Apple will have to change their ways. In the meantime, their stores remain full with people willing to drop loads of money in order to stay current. I'm not surprised nowadays as it's just another brick in the wall.
<Edited By Host>
Currently Being ModeratedAug 29, 2012 12:54 PM (in response to Roger Wilmut1)
Look, when you're a software company that releases an application with a proprietary format, it's encumbant on you to commit to supporting the loyal customers who took the risk of relying on your software for their productivity to put food on their table. Filemaker (owned by Apple) has already pulled a few fast ones, most notably their fiasco switching from the fp5 to fp7 format, but at least there was a path. But for Apple to completely jettison that piece of unique software which it actively had promoted to everyone when it was available, does not stand up to the "customer service" persona that Apple purports to be. Their own action betrays their commitment to their loyal customers who have used that software for almost 20 years. Who cares that they gave us 5 years advanced notice? Such notice is totally worthless if they never intended to come up with an alternate plan that would allow us to convert all that hard work (AW-DR) to the new platform so that we can REMAIN loyal customers?! Most diehard Apple users also recall the mess that happened with iMovie due to lack of proper market research and, instead, consulting ONE user who was a professional videographer that had some new ideas how he wanted to use iMovie to archive his personal scuba adventures!!
Every company knows that at one point or another one or more of its products actually might only break even, or even lose a few bucks, all for the purpose of offering a "full line" so that their customers will enjoy a "one-stop shopping" integrated experience. That's what helps build customer loyalty. But for Apple to say, "Hmm, a lot more poeple use the WP and PT and DB part of AW than the DR part, so let's just cut off the latter functionality" is simply greed and complacency at work, and considering how cash-rich they are, I think a more customer-centric leadership would have made the right decision and took the relatively small hit in the spirit of full-line support.
If Apple thinks they're still the "service" company they were years ago, they are sorely mistaken. They've becoming more like any other disposable goods company that only cares about hawking your dough for quarterly profit to please its shareholders, and forget any long-term commitment. They keep this up and not only will Steve start rolling in his grave, the company will find itself rolling out of the way for the next big customer service computing company coming down the pike who WILL provide better software support for its customers.
I fully agree, word by word, with Phil.
I have been using database ClarisWorks since its very beginning for business and personal purpose. I have been an enthusiastic Apple customer for 25 years, in all this time bringing a large number of users to the brand.
Also, I have been using MobileMe for years and all my e-mail files were, and still are, on it.
The cancellation of AppleWorks support in the new operating system environment has given me a serious damage and has rised a loud alarm bell to my mind.
In fact, Apple recent policy has (1) forced me to abandon MobileMe for iCloud, which I did [no particular advantage for my kind of use], and, consequently, (2) forced me to go to the new operating system [no particular advantage for my kind of use], and, consequently, (3) forced me to change my hardware at 5 locations [no particular advantage for my kind of use], and, finally, (4) to lose access to my Claris[Apple] Works files.
Referring to point (4) above, I was obliged (1) to freeze hundreds of past archive files in a PDF printout, only to keep the possibility to see them in the future, but losing any possibility of handling them further, and (2) to develop new applications for active files to FileMaker, which to my scopes is inferior (for example, not being able to deal with multiple records).
Please, note that I am not making a point of money. For example, I would have been prepared to pay for a good conversion software. Even, I plainly accepted to pay for the new operating system and for the new hardware, which frankly I felt no need for. Instead, I am making a point of plain damage, in providing no alternative for the customer, apparently to the scope of the producer making more money; and the more loyal you were, the worst it is for you.
How can I trust anymore Apple toward its future development? What if they abandon, say, iPhoto, or iCloud, or FileMaker?
I am actively searching to protect my medium and long term future infomation system. Particularly, I am worried that Apple policy of marketing large mass and leisure products, is going to undermine any use for more serious purposes.
Shall I go to Microsoft, which, being more large, may be less aggressive? Or somebody else? Or what? Shall we lobby for regulations from authorities (I hate red tapes, but unruly behavior may force them)?
Currently Being ModeratedAug 30, 2012 9:59 AM (in response to Giorgio Garuzzo)
I think Apple is a mix of good and bad right now. The good is that on my G4 Powerbook (now 7 years old) I can run Safari 5 and iTunes 10, (and most of the stuff that doesn't work is down to lack of support from the likes of Ad*be who stopped supporting Flash), it has FireWire 400 and 800, a great display, backlit keyboard, a scrolling gesture trackpad, and supports the latest Magic Mouse.
I also cannot get too worked up about AppleWorks, which was last supported over 10 years ago, but has been running natively and then in Rosetta since then, until last year, which isn't a bad run for unsupported software. Pages and Numbers will both open AW documents, and the only real loss has been the Drawing component, which I used a lot.
The bad is what's just happened with Samsung. Microsoft and Netscape in the 1990s, anyone? I think Apple will lose a lot of goodwill over this episode - all they needed to do was allow Samsung to keep manufacturing the products in question, but to pay a % royalty to Apple for the patents. After all, if Xerox had forced Apple to pay royalties for the GUI + mouse + object oriented design, the Mac may never have got off the ground.
I fully agree with Tim. In addition to having an 18 year history with Claris/Apple Works, I am a user of Final Cut Studio 3 (Final Cut 7), which has suffered the same fate. Two perfectly good, highly functional programs that Apple has chosen to walk away from. Its fine for them to walk away from the programs, what is appalling is that they do not let a 3rd Party purchase the rights to continue development or keep these programs alive. Updating a program is supposedly an advancement, but there has not been advancements offered for Apple Works. Moreso, its just, "Hello, we're turned off your plumbing, not because you haven't paid your bill. Its just, we don't want to give you any water any more. Good luck." Final Cut X is a giant step backward. Its almost like giving you the pipe, but no valves. Very frustrating attitude.
I too have loved using AppleWorks and ClarisWorks through the years.I've read the posts here and can relate. AW has been been a daily trusted and reliable friend. Now that I'm running a more current OS, I've decided to move on and adapt.
Has anyone tried OpenOffice's database and drawing? How do they compare? Open office is the right price (free). Also, since document storage is moving toward the cloud, how about google docs. I've used the spreadsheet and word processing but don't like the experience as well as AW. I haven't done anything witht the Draw and don't see any database. How do these free alternatives stack up against AW?
Currently Being ModeratedSep 15, 2012 1:51 AM (in response to Stephen Bunker)
Stephen Bunker wrote:
Also, since document storage is moving toward the cloud
You don't have to use iCloud. it is only interesting to use if you really need to be able to see your documents on a iOs system. Storage on a HD is cheap today.
Currently Being ModeratedSep 15, 2012 3:37 AM (in response to Stephen Bunker)
Stephen Bunker wrote:
Has anyone tried OpenOffice's database and drawing?
I haven't tried the drawing. There is really only one choice as a replacement: FileMaker Pro ($299 basic), which is pretty well the industry standard; though another possibility is 4D which is highly powerful and complex ($369 basic, rising rapidly for advanced versions) - I've not looked at it in detail but it would seem to present a very steep learning curve including SQL.
There are some Unix-based systems which are difficult to understand and use: and the free Office programs OpenOffice.org and its close relation NeoOffice both have much the same database module, which is again difficult to use and does not offer anything like the same flexibility with layouts/reports. 'Panorama Sheets' from Provue is a simple version of their full 'Panorama' database ($39.95 and $299 respectively): the 'Sheets' version does not generate reports, working only in List view, though it will print Avery Labels. The version from their website will run on Tiger upwards. As to the full version, though it's powerful, FileMaker Pro is the same price and is a better bet.
FileMaker (who are an Apple subsidiary company originally called Claris, and were the original creators of ClarisWorks/AppleWorks) make a baby brother of FileMaker called Bento (now Bento 2). On their website they say 'Looking for an AppleWorks replacement? You’ve found it' and 'Add power and functionality to Appleworks with Bento 2', which is somewhat misleading. Bento has nothing approaching the power of the AppleWorks database module, and follows the annoying iWeb trick of keeping all its data in one file buried in the user Library. If you need a simple flat-file database to catalogue your CD collection, for example, and you are happy with the limitations of its display, then it's fine - it's inexpensive, has a range of pretty templates, and has the useful trick of integrating with the data from iCal and Address Book. Many people, whose needs are not particularly complex, find it ideal. Note that both Bento and the latest version of Filemaker Pro (v11) require Leopard (Filemaker Pro 10 will run on Tiger, if you can find a copy - it's no longer sold by Filemaker).
None of the above mentioned programs will open an AppleWorks database - nothing will, and the only conversion method is to save the database as a ASCII file (losing layouts and calculations in the process) and import it into another program. If you can't run AppleWorks you are stuck.
More on AppleWorks and Filemaker Pro here:
iCloud is also very handy for accessing iWork documents & PDFs on multiple Macs. I don't have to remember to copy files to another Mac. Of course, I don't put every file on iCloud, just the ones I routinely access from multiple Macs.