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  • Philly_Phan Level 6 Level 6 (11,010 points)
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    May 21, 2011 7:57 PM (in response to rkaufmann87)

    I was, by far, the youngest engineer in our group.  Many of my coworkers were pilots on World War II B-17s, B-24s and P-51s as well as ME-109s and Stukas.  One guy was a test pilot for the ME-262 jet and his proudest possession was an award that he received personally from the Fuhrer.

  • rkaufmann87 Level 8 Level 8 (40,595 points)
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    May 21, 2011 8:00 PM (in response to Philly_Phan)

    Wow, do your recall his name....it would be fun to Google him.

  • babowa Level 7 Level 7 (22,090 points)
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    May 21, 2011 8:02 PM (in response to Philly_Phan)
    One guy was a test pilot for the ME-262 jet and his proudest possession was an award that he received personally from the Fuhrer.

     

    I'm sure that was special for him, but only an American would be proud of that. A German would be ashamed (and certainly never mention it). A cultural abyss here 

  • Philly_Phan Level 6 Level 6 (11,010 points)
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    May 21, 2011 8:05 PM (in response to rkaufmann87)

    rkaufmann87 wrote:

     

    Wow, do your recall his name....it would be fun to Google him.

    I do remember his name but I wouldn't post it here.  After seeing your comment, I tried Google but no luck.  If he's still alive, he'd be over 90 now.

  • Philly_Phan Level 6 Level 6 (11,010 points)
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    May 21, 2011 8:09 PM (in response to babowa)

    babowa wrote:

     

    One guy was a test pilot for the ME-262 jet and his proudest possession was an award that he received personally from the Fuhrer.

     

    I'm sure that was special for him, but only an American would be proud of that. A German would be ashamed (and certainly never mention it). A cultural abyss here 

    No.  He was German.  Why do you think that Hitler gave him the award?

     

    Ashamed?  Not at all.  Not even in the sixties when I knew him.

  • rkaufmann87 Level 8 Level 8 (40,595 points)
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    May 21, 2011 8:10 PM (in response to Philly_Phan)

    Philly_Phan wrote:

     

    rkaufmann87 wrote:

     

    Wow, do your recall his name....it would be fun to Google him.

    I do remember his name but I wouldn't post it here.  After seeing your comment, I tried Google but no luck.  If he's still alive, he'd be over 90 now.

    I can respect that. Thanks to both you and babowa for making this thread much more interesting to read and also thank you for your contribution to our nation! I'm just a 56 year old kid, too young to have participated in the space race and not smart enough to have become part of it. 

  • babowa Level 7 Level 7 (22,090 points)
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    May 21, 2011 8:22 PM (in response to Philly_Phan)
    No.  He was German.  Why do you think that Hitler gave him the award?

     

    I was wondering about that......

     

    Ashamed?  Not at all.  Not even in the sixties when I knew him.

     

     

    Well, having grown up in postwar Germany, I am surprised to hear that. Most of us were taught to be ashamed of it, hide it, don't mention it; in fact, the entire era's history was not even taught in school - there was a huge void in history class starting with the early 30's.

     

    Please don't mistake my comments as possibly being offended or anything adversary -  I was born after the "mess", so only have my parents' account of what happened, but I wanted to convey what was being felt over there for many years afterwards.

  • Philly_Phan Level 6 Level 6 (11,010 points)
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    May 21, 2011 8:26 PM (in response to Philly_Phan)

    I have a special love for the B-17.  We built 12,741 B-17s during the war.  The vast majority were cut up for scrap after the war.  Fewer than thirty remain in the world and only eight or nine are flyable.  I took pictures of two of them, the Nine-O-Nine and the Aluminum Overcast, several years ago.  See below.  The third pic shows the famous Norden bomb sight.

     

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  • Philly_Phan Level 6 Level 6 (11,010 points)
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    May 21, 2011 8:44 PM (in response to babowa)

    babowa wrote:

     

    No.  He was German.  Why do you think that Hitler gave him the award?

     

    I was wondering about that......

     

    Ashamed?  Not at all.  Not even in the sixties when I knew him.

     

     

    Well, having grown up in postwar Germany, I am surprised to hear that. Most of us were taught to be ashamed of it, hide it, don't mention it; in fact, the entire era's history was not even taught in school - there was a huge void in history class starting with the early 30's.

     

    Please don't mistake my comments as possibly being offended or anything adversary -  I was born after the "mess", so only have my parents' account of what happened, but I wanted to convey what was being felt over there for many years afterwards.

    I can appreciate where you're coming from but bear in mind that I'm not talking about "regular German citizens."  These are individuals that were fairly high in the Nazi party AND they were living the good life in the U.S. after the war.  You can almost say that they never really experienced the defeat.

  • Philly_Phan Level 6 Level 6 (11,010 points)
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    May 21, 2011 8:43 PM (in response to Philly_Phan)

    There was another coworker that had been a Panzer tank commander.  I learned from him that the Sherman was a (relative) puny weakling.  The Germans called it the "Ronson" because of the Ronson cigarette lighter company's advertising slogan "One flick and it's lit."

     

    If four Shermans fought one Panzer, the Panzer would win.  We would send five or six Shermans against a single Panzer and, when the dust settled, one Sherman would remain.  Fortunately we built some 70,000 Shermans while, thanks to bombing by the U.S. Army Air Force, Germany was able to build only 10,000 Panzers.

     

    Germany also had a Tiger tank but it was almost useless because it weighed seventy tons!  Fewer than a thousand were built.

  • babowa Level 7 Level 7 (22,090 points)
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    May 21, 2011 9:09 PM (in response to Philly_Phan)
    I can appreciate where you're coming from but bear in mind that I'm not talking about "regular German citizens."  These are individuals that were fairly high in the Nazi party AND they were living the good life in the U.S. after the war.  You can almost say that they never really experienced the defeat.

     

    Ahh, okay, I understand. Pity about the good life though.

  • Philly_Phan Level 6 Level 6 (11,010 points)
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    May 21, 2011 9:22 PM (in response to babowa)

    babowa wrote:

     

    Ahh, okay, I understand. Pity about the good life though.

    I agree wholeheartedly.  They harmed everyone, including German citizens.

  • Zenobius Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)
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    May 21, 2011 9:34 PM (in response to ellentcole)

    sorry about getting back to the OP here.. intresting history lesson.

     

    but this isnt new. this has been apple's policy for at least 2 years. just found an article back in 2009 about this.

     

    http://consumerist.com/2009/11/smoking-near-apple-computers-creates-biohazard-vo ids-warranty.html

     

    just working on them according to Apple violates OSHA.. Which as being someone allergic to smoke myself, i see the point.

    I never heard of an electronic product being denied warranty work, but i have always known that smoke and electronics just dont mix. I always get a kick out of the people complaining about their game consoles going out, and finding that they chain smoke... yet blame the console.

     

    yet another reason not to smoke.

  • Landrix Level 1 Level 1 (25 points)
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    Sep 18, 2012 12:39 AM (in response to ellentcole)

    I have never smoked in the same room as my iMac--only smoked in my living room that is three rooms and 70 feet away.

     

    Yet I just got a call from a Genius bar service rep who says they will not replace my display because they found evidence of smoking.

     

    I called them back and asked them to provide a detailed narrative of what they found, along with photographs justifying their claim.  I think that is fair, don't you?  I mean, I think of you plan to deny service you should be able to justify your assertions.

  • Philly_Phan Level 6 Level 6 (11,010 points)
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    Sep 18, 2012 6:41 AM (in response to Landrix)

    Do you think that it's a coincidence that Apple stated evidence of smoking and you have smoked in your house?  You might consider that normal air flow in your home (heating and/or a/c) will distribute the smoke throughout the entire house.

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