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  • baltwo Level 9 Level 9 (59,150 points)
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    Sep 29, 2012 1:08 PM (in response to Christopher Murphy)

    Christopher Murphy wrote:

    My question for all is if anyone knows the relationship between Time Machine and Spotlight indexing? Is fsevent database that tracks changed files for backing up completly independent of Spotlight? Or is it possible that Time Machine backups will be adversely affected by this (increasingly obvious) bug?

    More than one question. See Pondini's TM FAQs for starters.

    27" i7 iMac SL, Lion, OS X Mountain Lion (10.8.2), G4 450 MP w/Leopard, 9.2.2
  • Christopher Murphy Level 2 Level 2 (470 points)
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    Sep 29, 2012 1:25 PM (in response to baltwo)

    Your search - spotlight site:pondini.org/TM/FAQ.html - did not match any documents.

     

    I did find some references to Spotlight but none so far that make a direct connection between Spotlight and Time Machine in terms of a functional dependency (i.e. one that would cause Time Machine backups to be incorrect/incomplete). But clearly a sluggish spotlight signifciantly and adversely impacts Time Machine backups.

  • Christopher Murphy Level 2 Level 2 (470 points)
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    Sep 29, 2012 1:48 PM (in response to baltwo)

    The first question I asked was if "anyone knows" and the next two were yes or no answerable questions. By giving me URLs that require quite a bit of reading, most of which does not at all relate to either of my questions, you're basically saying you don't know either.

  • stcinder Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)
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    Sep 29, 2012 1:57 PM (in response to kilgo)

    Interesting about Spotless. I downloaded v. 4.0.0 which works on my Macbook Pro which is running 10.7.5

  • baltwo Level 9 Level 9 (59,150 points)
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    Sep 29, 2012 2:00 PM (in response to Christopher Murphy)

    Intuitively obvious to the most casual observer. If I knew, I would have given you a definitive answer. Since I've never enabled TM, I've not a clue, but pointed you to where answers might lie. Not my problem if it requires extensive reading and research. If there was a simple response, others would have jumped in with them.

    27" i7 iMac SL, Lion, OS X Mountain Lion (10.8.2), G4 450 MP w/Leopard, 9.2.2
  • Christopher Murphy Level 2 Level 2 (470 points)
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    Sep 29, 2012 2:18 PM (in response to baltwo)

    It takes considerable hubris to discount someone's clear request for a knowledgable person who already knows the answer to the questions be the person to respond, and further hubris to instead inundate the requester with admittedly useless URLs that you don't even know contain the answer to the questions. And further this behavior requires yet even another layer of extreme hubris by assuming that I can't do my own Google searches.

  • HerrDrKarl Level 1 Level 1 (15 points)
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    Sep 29, 2012 5:15 PM (in response to Christopher Murphy)

    Christopher Murphy wrote:

     

    My question for all is if anyone knows the relationship between Time Machine and Spotlight indexing? Is fsevent database that tracks changed files for backing up completly independent of Spotlight? Or is it possible that Time Machine backups will be adversely affected by this (increasingly obvious) bug?

    Hi Christopher,

     

    I'm not expert on the internals of TM and Spotlight and the fsevent and .spotlight-VS100 databases...so yet another voice without a definitive answer...

     

    but, anecdotally, everyone in three different threads - numbering dozens of people now - has had normal TM operation simply by temporarily disabling Spotlight.  Whether 100% of all changed files were backed up by TM, I don't think anyone knows ...just assumes... so I see the importance of your question.

     

    While I think that TM catches everything, I've still done independent backups of my data.  I've used Chronosync, but there are lots of other options out there.  I'm not happy about doing it, and dealing with this for going on 10 days now...and even less happy that Apple has not jumped into the fray to admit the bug and advice users.

     

    Karl

  • Christopher Murphy Level 2 Level 2 (470 points)
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    Sep 29, 2012 6:04 PM (in response to HerrDrKarl)

    I noticed that same correlation. Also reports are that Spotlight wasn't adding new files to its index. So I'm a bit concerned about what Time Machine is backing up. In the past I've noticed that while backupd is busy doing Time Machine backups, mdworker and/or mds processes are also busy making me think Time Machine has some dependency on Spotlight but that might just be the index to make the Time Machine backup itself searchable.

  • TobiasKruse Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)
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    Sep 30, 2012 1:18 AM (in response to Jean-Luc)

    Just a little heads up: Update to Mountain Lion 10.8.2 fixed the issue.

     

    The update itself gave no problems whatsoever (didn't need a clean install). As of battery life: I get 4:30 with a MBP 15" mid 2010 (should have 6 hrs). My battery is on 90% health, so I wouldn't expect to get the full 6 hrs. But I've already seen better then 4:30.

  • Dimaxum Level 5 Level 5 (5,945 points)
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    Sep 30, 2012 2:23 AM (in response to baltwo)

    Hi,

     

    To everybody who is struggeling with Spotlight.

     

    Read my latest post ...

     

    https://discussions.apple.com/thread/4375642

     

    Dimaxum

  • Christopher Murphy Level 2 Level 2 (470 points)
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    Sep 30, 2012 9:21 AM (in response to Dimaxum)

    This does not solve my issue. I've used mdutil -E, and I've deleted the actual Spotlight folder. In the course of the rebuild now on day 2, it still days 7 days remaining.

  • Dausto Level 1 Level 1 (10 points)
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    Sep 30, 2012 12:56 PM (in response to Jean-Luc)

    It seems to be solved form my MacBook Pro 2009 Lion 10.7.5

     

    The problems comes up after Onyx index spotlight rebuild.

    TM wasn't able to backup my data (very slow!!) and spotlight rebuild advise me 6 months time to rebuild...!!

     

    Reading this discussion, one hour ago I tried command sudo mdutil -s /Volumes/* and result was:

              Indexing enabled.

    /Volumes/MyHDBackup:

    Indexing and searching enabled.

     

    Spotlight was tring to reindex my Time Machine hdd for backups, but it was not plugged in!!

    so I disabled Time Machine in PrefPane, and after I execute command

     

    sudo mdutil -E /Volumes/*

    sudo rm -rf /.Spotlight-V100/*

     

    Spotlight restarted and now time to left reindexing is 8 hour but is still decreasing...

  • Christopher Murphy Level 2 Level 2 (470 points)
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    Sep 30, 2012 1:23 PM (in response to Dausto)

    I was not having the problem with 10.7.4, it started with 10.7.5. I did the exact same mdutil -E and removal of the Spotlight directory you did. And functionally Spotlight is now broken. I get no search results, and indexing is going to take more than a week at this rate.

  • HerrDrKarl Level 1 Level 1 (15 points)
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    Sep 30, 2012 3:24 PM (in response to Dausto)

    Dausto wrote:

     

    so I disabled Time Machine in PrefPane, and after I execute command

     

    sudo mdutil -E /Volumes/*

    sudo rm -rf /.Spotlight-V100/*

     

    Spotlight restarted and now time to left reindexing is 8 hour but is still decreasing...

    Don't want to discourage you, Dausto... but it ain't over until it's over...  Please post if your Spotlight does ever finish and you're able to run TM again (both).

     

    I purged the indices as you did ... and eventually got down to 2 hours remaining ... and it stayed at 2 hours remaining for several days.  I ran some diagnostics for an Apple engineer, then had 3 weeks remaining... then down to 12 hours remaining ... where it sat for several days.

     

    Hope we hear from you after 8 hours to learn that you were actually successful! :-)

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