sirhyll

Q: BUG: Mountain Lion kills wifi speed when using airplay or time capsule

Hi,

Here is the situation, I have a MBP 3,1 Core 2 Duo 2,4Ghz.

I've upgraded from 10.7 to 10.8, and now, when I'm trying to use time machine on my time capsule (last gen), or airplay on my airport express (802.11n) the transmission speed drops from 160/200 to 6/13. (As you can see on the screenshots below. First image, without any of these two features  / Second image, with time machine trying to find the time capsule drive  /  Third image, with airplay activate)

 

The time machine don't manage to find the time capsule drive and failed.

Airplay works for 3 seconds and stops. I've tryed airplay with itunes (the old way) and quicktime with the new airplay option, both stops after 3/4 seconds..

 

1.jpg3.jpg2.jpg

 

 

 

 

I made my 30Go time machine backup with an ethernet cable, it worked ok.

I still use my airport express with my iPhone without any problem.

And all other internet usages are working correctly, I can even acces to my data on the time capsule and copy files from with no problem, without this "transmission speed drop" situation.

 

 

I have 3 differents wifi signals in my (large) flat:

The time capsule broadcasts 2 different wi-fi n on 2,4ghz and 5ghz

and another Asus router broadcasts wi-fi b/g on 2.4ghz

I've tried the 3 different connections, all have the same "transmission speed drop" issue with airplay and time machine, and these two features don't work anymore.

 

And of course, I never had this situation with Lion..

 

Any solution, or is there definitely a bug with mountain lion handling my wi-fi card: AirPort Extreme  (0x168C, 0x87)

I already reseted the PRAM and NVRAM; and did an onyx maintenance nothing changed...

 

 

Any help appreciate,

Thx

Posted on Jul 29, 2012 11:25 AM

Close

Q: BUG: Mountain Lion kills wifi speed when using airplay or time capsule

  • All replies
  • Helpful answers

first Previous Page 3 of 11 last Next
  • by P. Verbrugge,

    P. Verbrugge P. Verbrugge Aug 13, 2012 2:30 AM in response to Gunny Sack
    Level 1 (0 points)
    Aug 13, 2012 2:30 AM in response to Gunny Sack

    Same problem here... It's just horrible. Networking run's fine on WIFI until Timemachine is starting. WIFI speeds drops to almost zero on my 802.11n network on my Mac. It's horrible! Never had this issue on Lion.

     

    On ethernet it works fine. However, have no option to run a ethernet cable through the whole house.

  • by sirhyll,

    sirhyll sirhyll Aug 23, 2012 8:49 AM in response to sirhyll
    Level 1 (4 points)
    Aug 23, 2012 8:49 AM in response to sirhyll

    Unfortunately,

    10.8.1 doesn't fix this bug !!

     

    Time machine on a time capsule is still "killing" the wifi speed...

     

     

    btw

    Airplay has improved and is not killing wifi anymore (9 times on 10, on my tests..)

     

    Waiting for 10.8.2 ...

  • by santranyc,

    santranyc santranyc Aug 25, 2012 6:22 AM in response to sirhyll
    Level 1 (14 points)
    Aug 25, 2012 6:22 AM in response to sirhyll

    I can confirm that 10.8.1 does not fix my Fall 2007 MacBook Pro's wi-fi AirTunes stability problem.  Back to Ethernet!

  • by KaitainCPS,

    KaitainCPS KaitainCPS Sep 3, 2012 9:44 PM in response to santranyc
    Level 1 (0 points)
    Sep 3, 2012 9:44 PM in response to santranyc

    Same problem here. Mid-2007 MBP, just upgraded to Mountain Lion, Time Machine is essentially toast. Backups never complete. Wifi transmit rates bounce between 6 and 15. My other two more recent Macs are getting 200-300.

     

    Thanks for conducting proper testing, Apple.

  • by KaitainCPS,

    KaitainCPS KaitainCPS Sep 3, 2012 11:25 PM in response to Foxxyben
    Level 1 (0 points)
    Sep 3, 2012 11:25 PM in response to Foxxyben

    FWIW, I've found that turning the wifi off, the immediately back on will fix the issue, but only for that backup.

    Foxxyben wrote:

     

    I am also having the same issue on my 2007 Macbook Pro.  FWIW, I've found that turning the wifi off, the immediately back on will fix the issue, but only for that backup.

    Good call. That definitely helps.

  • by MacMunfordGB,

    MacMunfordGB MacMunfordGB Sep 5, 2012 6:23 PM in response to KaitainCPS
    Level 1 (0 points)
    Sep 5, 2012 6:23 PM in response to KaitainCPS

    This issue also affects update downloads from the app store.  Updating iMovie started at a Transmit Rate of 6. Stopping and starting the WiFi allowed the Transmit rate to go up to 216.

     

    Just something else to add to it.

  • by Gunny Sack,

    Gunny Sack Gunny Sack Sep 19, 2012 12:12 PM in response to sirhyll
    Level 1 (40 points)
    Sep 19, 2012 12:12 PM in response to sirhyll

    10.8.2 is out and it doesn't fix this problem.

     

     

  • by sirhyll,

    sirhyll sirhyll Sep 20, 2012 2:12 PM in response to Gunny Sack
    Level 1 (4 points)
    Sep 20, 2012 2:12 PM in response to Gunny Sack

    yep, unfortunately it's still broken.... 10.8.3 maybe

  • by justin_case,

    justin_case justin_case Sep 29, 2012 7:23 AM in response to sirhyll
    Level 1 (55 points)
    Sep 29, 2012 7:23 AM in response to sirhyll

    I know I'm wasting my time asking, but anyone have a dependable workaround for this? I've tried some that I've found in the forum, but nothing seems to work.

     

    I don't understand why the transmit rate can be so low and the "Internet speed-check" not drop. Also I'd like to get my time machine back working via WIFI (yes it works OK with an Ethernet connection). Manual backups to the portable HD are becoming bothersome.

     

    At any rate, I thought I'd check to see if anything new was found.

     

    Thanks in advance.

  • by aysm?,

    aysm? aysm? Oct 2, 2012 11:20 AM in response to justin_case
    Level 1 (0 points)
    Oct 2, 2012 11:20 AM in response to justin_case

    justin_case wrote:

     

    I know I'm wasting my time asking, but anyone have a dependable workaround for this?

     

    Yes. Change the wireless radio mode on your router to 802.11a / 802.11b / g .

     

    The problem only exists due to a flaw in the Mountain Lion networking 'n' subsystem code which does not communicate correctly with the Airport card in the MBP3,1.  Apple has not addressed this issue, and it's open to debate how much effort they will expend to support 20 dollar software running on a 5-year-old laptop.

     

    Disabling the n on your router bypasses the problem at the expense of network speed. Although the speed will be limited to 54Mbps, it will at least be stable.

     

    The only other workaround involves repeatedly turning the Airport card off and on until a good connection is obtained, but as others have noted, it doesn't stick and must be repeated whenever the problem reappears. I've found that using WiSpy from mkdsoftware [dot] com (free) is useful to me as it constantly reads the "Transmit Rate" from the connection and displays it on the Menu Bar, so you can see at a glance when the Transmit Rate drops.

     

    Good luck.

  • by Gunny Sack,

    Gunny Sack Gunny Sack Oct 2, 2012 12:00 PM in response to aysm?
    Level 1 (40 points)
    Oct 2, 2012 12:00 PM in response to aysm?

    aysm?,

     

    Thanks for the useful info. Could you tell me how you found this out? Did Apple Tech Support tell you this or do you have access to Apple bug reports?

     

    And as for Apple not addressing this problem because our laptops are 5-years old, well, considering that the "n" subsystem code worked perfectly fine in all previous versions of OS X, then maybe they should be less sloppy about their coding. But yeah, I'm not holding my breath.

     

    In the meantime, I'm not goin giving up network speed in order to start using Time Machine again. I just have Crashplan backing up to one of my network hard drives. It works just as well and uses less overhead than Time Machine.

     

    Thanks.

  • by aysm?,

    aysm? aysm? Oct 2, 2012 12:23 PM in response to Gunny Sack
    Level 1 (0 points)
    Oct 2, 2012 12:23 PM in response to Gunny Sack

    Gunny Sack wrote:

     

    Thanks for the useful info. Could you tell me how you found this out? Did Apple Tech Support tell you this or do you have access to Apple bug reports?

    Apple tech has been no help, and I do not have access to the bug reports. However, replacing the .kext files in System/Library/Extensions with those from Snow Leopard restored the 'n' connectivity for me. It appears that either the correct Atheros file is missing in ML, or the replacement Atheros file is just wonky; in either case, restoring the files from SL did result in a working 'n' subsystem

     

    I'll take no responsibility for anyone killing their OS by replacing the files - do so at your own risk - but to read up on the procedure, I found discussion and procedures elosewhere by google/binging "Wifi doesn't stay connected with 2010 MacBook Pro after upgrade to Mountain Lion"

  • by justin_case,

    justin_case justin_case Oct 2, 2012 12:42 PM in response to aysm?
    Level 1 (55 points)
    Oct 2, 2012 12:42 PM in response to aysm?

    Aysm,

    Thank you...That worked...I'm still a little PO'ed at Apple for ingoring the problem...and they just turned my Airport Extreem into b/g device...Thanks Apple for the downgrade.

     

    But you did get my Time machine back up and working, so I think you very much.

     

    Apple, wake up! No one cares if it's only $20, they want thier devices to work....

  • by Gunny Sack,

    Gunny Sack Gunny Sack Oct 2, 2012 2:46 PM in response to aysm?
    Level 1 (40 points)
    Oct 2, 2012 2:46 PM in response to aysm?

    aysm,

     

    Thanks for the tip.

     

    I'm going to try the Atheros kext downgrade. First I'm going to try the kext from 10.7.3 since I didn't have TM or Airplay probems with Lion. If that doesn't work, I'll try to the Snow Leopard version.

     

    Here are some links I found that others, should they decide to try this, will find useful:

     

    Kext Wizard - Easy to use Kext Installer and more

     

    Mac OS X 10.7/10.8 Wi-Fi problems and the fix

     

    v3.2 Atheros Wi-Fi driver from Snow Leopard, to use on Lion

  • by Gunny Sack,

    Gunny Sack Gunny Sack Oct 2, 2012 8:40 PM in response to sirhyll
    Level 1 (40 points)
    Oct 2, 2012 8:40 PM in response to sirhyll

    Following aysm's suggestion, I downgraded the wifi kernel extension for my MacBook Pro. Since then, Airplay and Time Machine have been working flawlessly, with no slowdowns in transmit rate. I've been streaming music to my Apple TV ever since.

     

    I downgraded the Mountain Lion Atheros kernel extension (IO80211Family.kext - version 5.0) to version 4.1.2 from Lion 10.6.3.

     

    And if I run into problems with that, I can still downgrade to the kext from Snow Leopard.

first Previous Page 3 of 11 last Next