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Will the iPhone 4s be able to use Verizon 4g LTE?

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tbattles2 Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)
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Oct 5, 2012 8:49 AM

I am interested in getting the 4s in stead of the 5 because of availability of accessories and size, but want to be able to have 4g LTE on Verizon. I had heard rumors that the hardware was there, and that Apple was going to do a update that would activate that. Is there any truth to that or is the 4s stuck at 3g?

iPhone 4S, iOS 6
  • KiltedTim Level 8 Level 8 (35,840 points)

    No. The 4S is NOT an LTE capable phone.

  • electronicsguy Level 2 Level 2 (190 points)

    how would anyboy here know? if people here know, then it should be public knowledge and you could easily get such info doing a google search.

  • electronicsguy Level 2 Level 2 (190 points)
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    Oct 5, 2012 12:19 PM (in response to tbattles2)

    how do you expect 'people' to know any more than you do? (and if they know its on the web). this is anot a secret apple employees forum where they divulge internal secrets. this is a user forum. you know as much as anyone else. so go do the better things rather than asking such pointless questions here.

     

    you specifically asked if the 4s has a hidden lte feature.. no one know this but apple. so my original argument stands.

  • varjak paw Level 10 Level 10 (166,900 points)

    The components included in the iPhone 4S have been made very public on many web site and it's very clear that the iPhone 4S does not have LTE, just as Apple has always said. LTE support would take additional hardware and different antennas, so it's not something that could be just a "hidden feature".

  • electronicsguy Level 2 Level 2 (190 points)
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    Oct 5, 2012 12:35 PM (in response to varjak paw)

    well you're wrong in one thing... for example for ipod touch 2g was sold without bluetooth feature..but a late ios update (i think it was 3.0) unlocked this feature.. you can read about it. I know because i owned one before it was unlocked. in this case, bluetooth would also require a different antenna, and it was there, just that it was locked and not public knowledge.

     

    so just because a tear-down tells you what is visible to the naked eye, hidded features are not visible. how is it in any way clear? maybe apple just did not enable the ios to use lte in the 4s. (it may be actually present in prototypes or iphone 4s used internally by testers).  as i said originally, no one can know this but apple.

  • varjak paw Level 10 Level 10 (166,900 points)

    The chips contained in the iPhone 4S are very clear, and none have LTE capabilities. Your analogy of the iPod touch actually proves the reverse; the chips used in that device very clearly showed capabilities which Apple chose not to implement. The iPhone 4s uses a Qualcomm MDM6610 chipset which does not support LTE; it's CDMA and GSM/EDGE only. There's no way to "hide" a feature in a chip that is well documented. Nor do the antennas included in the iPhone 4S allow LTE.

     

    So it is not some big dark Apple secret lurking in the device. LTE capability is not present in the iPhone 4S hardware.

  • electronicsguy Level 2 Level 2 (190 points)
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    Oct 5, 2012 12:49 PM (in response to varjak paw)

    sure  i take you argument my last quesstion is... the chips used in the iphone are not marked (with standard numbers)  because they are custom chips, even the baseband. so how would you know what are the internals?

  • varjak paw Level 10 Level 10 (166,900 points)

    The Qualcomm chip in the iPhone 4S is clearly marked with Qualcomm-standard numbers and their logo.

     

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    I'm done now. Believe whatever you wish. Lots of people believe lots of things with no evidence to support said belief.

  • electronicsguy Level 2 Level 2 (190 points)

    my friend.. i am only asking.. even though you know the number of the chip, where is the documentation that it DOES NOT have lte? i tried googling for it. in many articles they say this:

    http://www.theverge.com/2012/3/5/2847667/lte-ipad-3-is-not-for-sure-heres-why

     

    "It's also worth noting that the MDM6610 is a minor update to the MDM6600. I tried to look for differences, but I was unable to find any."

     

    so if its undocumented, everything is speculation. thats my point. whether differences are minor or major are not confirmed by apple or qualcomm so how do you positively say that you know it definitely cannot have lte?

  • KiltedTim Level 8 Level 8 (35,840 points)

    Where is the documentation that it does not contain 24th century transporter technology...

     

    You've gone way off topic.

     

    If you're trying to dazzle us with your brilliance, you're failing...

     

    Just let it go.

  • electronicsguy Level 2 Level 2 (190 points)

    I will.. my original point actually was not about whether it has lte or no... but the fact that any hidden feature will not be known to public. thats why its hidden!

  • KiltedTim Level 8 Level 8 (35,840 points)

    <sigh>... you just keep digging...

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