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HT5429 apple maps is trash, where is google maps???????????

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  • chriseccles1 Calculating status...

    Julian Wright wrote:

     

    Why would Steve Jobs be "spinning in his grave"? It was Steve Jobs who initiated the Apple Maps project years ago. It was Steve Jobs who declared war against Google and started the move away from reliance on their services.

     

    Yes, this is quite true. Isaacson's biography of Steve jobs is quite an

    informative little tome. It points up the ideology-driven aggravation which

    has arisen between Apple and Google, and which continues to this day.

     

    However, as DMCarr points out, Jobs would have been unlikely to permit

    an operating system as flawed as iOS6 to hit the market, simply on QA

    grounds. Having said that, it is sheer folly to deny users access on your

    own platform to something which they can obtain on another at less cost.

    Excluding Google Maps (and Street View) from the gamut of iPhone

    functionality is tantamount to saying, "We're not interested in selling

    product to anyone who wants Google", and that is asking for commercial

    disaster because people vote, not with their brand-loyalty specs on, but

    with their wallets.

     

    If someone out there has a far superior product, the result of years of

    planning, investment and execution, the sensible business plan is to

    negotiate to licence it at a reasonable cost, NOT to kid yourself that you

    could replicate all that work and come up with something better. This

    concept has been proved time and time again in entertainment format

    "wars".

     

    Chris Eccles

  • DMCarr Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    Interestingly, Maps is not on the list of iOS apps on the Product Feedback page....

  • Julian Wright Level 7 Level 7 (34,835 points)

    You don't KNOW that Steve Jobs would not have allowed iOS 6 to ship as it did. Steve Jobs made plenty of mistakes in his lifetime.

     

    And how do you know Apple DIDN'T try to license Google Maps at a reasonable cost on fair terms? It has been reported widely that Google refused to let Apple use turn-by-turn navigation and vector maps in Google Maps on iOS - keeping those features exclusive to Android and making iOS Maps inferior by comparison.

     

    Of course Google Maps is available on Android, Google makes the Android OS too. Google keeping enhanced map features exclusive to Android devices is a competitive advantage they likely wouldn't give up to Apple at ANY cost.

  • chriseccles1 Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    DMCarr wrote:

     

    Has the mass email idea taken off? Count me in!

     

    Well, I've sent mine but I doubt this will really impact on Cook.

    He is seeing himself in the same unassailable position as a Roman

    emperor who feasts while his empire decays around him. Sad.

     

    What I'm asking myself as I weigh up whether to go and buy a

    Galaxy S3 is, "What next ?". Are Gmail users the next sacrificial

    lambs ? Are we going to hear, "Move to a .Mac account or else

    Apple will chop off your Gmail on the iPhone ?". If there really is

    a strong flavour of Jobs' anti-Google nonsense pervading

    Cupertino, this becomes a distinct likelihood. Are Apple planning

    to remove (or inhibit) the use of the Google search engine ?

    Replacing it with what, exactly ?

     

    Commercial war is every bit as destructive as actual war in the

    long term. But, the problem is that we don't have the UN present

    to step in as peacekeepers. This could get nastier than it already is.

     

    Chris Eccles

  • chriseccles1 Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    Julian Wright wrote:

     

    You don't KNOW that Steve Jobs would not have allowed iOS 6 to ship as it did. Steve Jobs made plenty of mistakes in his lifetime.

     

    And how do you know Apple DIDN'T try to license Google Maps at a reasonable cost on fair terms? It has been reported widely that Google refused to let Apple use turn-by-turn navigation and vector maps in Google Maps on iOS - keeping those features exclusive to Android and making iOS Maps inferior by comparison.

     

    Of course Google Maps is available on Android, Google makes the Android OS too. Google keeping enhanced map features exclusive to Android devices is a competitive advantage they likely wouldn't give up to Apple at ANY cost.

     

    Fair comment, Julian. I accept that.

     

    Business negotiations (and I have a lifetime's experience of them) rarely

    stall on purely ideological grounds. Keeping emotions and ideologies away

    from the discussion table is always good practice. I can't accept, however,

    that Google's position on turn-by-turn would have been a deal-breaker if the

    money was right. Google, whatever else they may be, are not a bunch of

    fools and their accountants would have underlined all the give and take

    points in red pen long ago.

     

    There would have to exist somewhere in the maelstrom some kind of

    commercially sound foundation acceptable to both parties UNLESS the

    Apple position was being driven by Jobs' ghost to the point of excluding

    sound business decision-making from the choices.

     

    Chris Eccles

  • Julian Wright Level 7 Level 7 (34,835 points)

    There is no commercial benefit, no licensing issues, no restriction of features, no advertising revenue, no user data collection reasons that would have any bearing on allowing iOS users to access Gmail.

     

    Every phone platform is subject to licensing agreements between otherwise rival providers. No matter which phone OS you use, there are always going to be some features of other platforms you'd like to use being restricted or unavailable due to commercial licensing deals not being in place.

     

    If you use predominantly Microsoft features or exclusively Microsoft features, it makes sense for you to purchase a phone that has access to these feature. Same goes for Android, iOS, Blackberry. No phone has access to everything provided by rival services.

  • Julian Wright Level 7 Level 7 (34,835 points)

    From what I have read (which could be a load of rubbish, for all I know) Google wanted more access to more of iOS users PERSONAL data (location, searches, contacts etc.) than Apple was willing to share.

     

    When you are dealing with people's personal data, especially something as private as their physical location, you have to be careful with what you share with other commercial companies, especially one such as Google who probably has more data on more people than any other company to target ads at them.

     

    None of Apple's services have adverts in them. Googles whole business is based on showing targeted ads to people, and learning more about people's likes, dislikes, places, contacts etc.

     

    The negotiations are almost certainly not as simple as you think.

  • Ex-Apple Fan Level 1 Level 1 (5 points)

    Who said we want full access to your rival's stuff?

     

    All that we need is access to your iOS 5 which is still accessed by everyone who hasn't believed the top executives of Apple who turned to be top liars. They promised us the world and as we upgraded to iOS 6 our devices became captives and unfunctional as they used to be with iOS 5 when it comes to Maps and some other Apps.

     

    Before anyone with high points argue about what Apple promised, this is a reminder. "The most beautiful, poweful mapping service ever" huh??

     

     

    Apple-Maps-12.jpg

  • johnnybgood Level 1 Level 1 (5 points)

    THe problem of ios6 is beyond a failed map. The whole iphone experience has changed for me. Ie more frequent app crashes. Battery life. Loss of music. I feel like a sucker. So glad I did not buy iPhone 5

  • Ex-Apple Fan Level 1 Level 1 (5 points)

    So... if Google refuses to license their full Map application, Apple's response is to lie to its users, promise them the world, make them upgrade to iOS 6, then give them a trash mapping application?

     

    If you are in the US then you must know that Apple maps might be working fro you some how. However, for the vast majority of users outside the US it is just a piece of junk that does nothing more than a small sized digitized map that is far inferior than the paper local map. Is this Apple's innovation?

     

    Why doesn't Apple allow us to get back iOS 5 on the hardware whose iOS has been upgraded? Why can't Apple continue developing its mapping application without making it so difficult on us? Is this what we deserve from a company we have been loyal to for years?

     

    I and millions like me for the first time are now considering buying from a rival because the trust relationship and loyalty we had for Apple have been exploited and we were taken for granted. Wrong calculations from Apple and it will pay the price in the mid and long term.

     

    Nokia and Blackberry used to own Apple's world before and apparently its time for someone else to start owning Apple's world now.

  • Julian Wright Level 7 Level 7 (34,835 points)

    Tell Apple your thoughts here. This is the wrong forum for whinging, ranting and asking "why?" questions no Apple users here knows the answer to.

     

    We all know the dire state Apple Maps is in. We've discussed it for weeks. You're not telling us anything new.

  • Ex-Apple Fan Level 1 Level 1 (5 points)

    This isn't whinging or ranting and this is none of your business to judge me.

     

    If you have an answer then post it and I will give you some points to make you happy. Otherwise keep your comments and judgements for yourself.

  • matrixxzero Level 1 Level 1 (120 points)

    I haven't really encountered any problem with the Apple maps but I am sure some have. Apple is a few years behind Google in their development in my opinion.

     

    Die hard Google maps people in the interim can go to maps.google.com until either an App is available or Apple makes some other arrangments.

     

    Google is the number one privacy invader as far as I am concerned. Not even five minutes after I post this, you can find it on Google search. To some, that is a good thing. To privacy advocates (like me) it is a bad thing.

     

    However, in addition to privacy issues, I believe the other reason Apple decided to drop Google maps is because Google wanted access to Siri coding. Say what you will about Siri's flaws, but Siri has great potential to the creative programmer and I believe more is to come. So, Apple was also protecting it's creative programming.

     

    If only the world was open source, these issues would not happen. However, Apple is typically one to satisfy the customer and I am 99% certain something will happen soon to satisfy the masses, like perhaps putting it back in 6.1 for the 6 months remaining? But, not certain we could keep turn by turn navigation since the IOS was developed for Apple maps.

     

    As to those saying they wish they kept 5.1, I wouldn't be surprised that google maps would expire in the 6 months when the contract with Google was to end. Apple can kill an app at any time.

     

    The publicity is out there and in order to satisfy the customer as well as the shareholders, I strongly believe a fix is coming soon even if Apple is forced into a short term agreement with Google with perhaps a non-disclosure clause prohibiting them from reverse engineering Siri or whatever. You can't blame a company for wanting to keep their aces safe.

     

    Personally, I still use my Magellan GPS which also has flaws and says I'm stading in water when I am driving down a country road and no, it doesn't use Tom Tom technology like Apple maps. Errily enough, the voice sounds a lot like Siri but it came out before Siri ..... interesting 

     

    Have faith everyone. I am. It's the first year after losing Steve Jobs.

  • Ex-Apple Fan Level 1 Level 1 (5 points)

    And by the way, the feedback link you gave is of the same quality as Apple's Maps. It asks what operating system you are using but it doesn't list any iOS option. It actually does list Windows Vista, Windows 7, and Windows XP in addition to some Mac OS. None is about iOS.

     

    Is this the quality of the feedback now in Apple?

  • Julian Wright Level 7 Level 7 (34,835 points)

    You definitely are whinging and ranting, that's a fact - not my judgement. This is a public forum and I'll post if I want to, thanks.

     

    You seem to have difficulty understanding that this is a user-to-user help forum only. No users here have the ability to magically fix Apple Maps. No users here know the answers to your "Why does/doesn't Apple....?" questions. You are wasting your time by moaning about it and asking such questions here. I gave you the link to tell Apple your thoughts. Use it. That's what it is for.

     

    Are you incapable of writing "iOS 6" in the "Comments" section of that form?

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