5 Replies Latest reply: Oct 7, 2012 5:17 PM by cj44
mschi Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

I have iDVD version 7.1.2 and iMovie 9 (v8.0.6). If I upgrade both iPhoto and iMovie to 11 from 09 will iMovie 11 be compatible with my current version of iDVD?

 

Thanks in advance.

 

Mike

  • 1. Re: Will iDVD 7.1.2 work with iMovie 11?
    Bengt Wärleby Level 6 Level 6 (19,160 points)

    Hi

     

    YES

     

    But there are more to this than one might think.

     

    If You use iDVD - the most obvious aim is that You want a DVD. Right (If not skip it)

     

    If You want a DVD then most of us what as Sharp and Good DVD possibly.

     

    DVD is as Standard - interlaced SD-Video material - nothing else - NO HD etc.

     

    Then iMovie'08 to 11 - ARE NOT tools of choice as all of them discard every second line in the picture and are not able in ANY way to Share/Export movie over to iDVD in 100% Quality.

     

    If iMovie'08 to 11 is a must - then I do

    Share to Media Browser (NOT TO iDVD as this too degrades the final product) AND AS LARGE or Medium (as down scaling HD also gives a BAD result)

     

    But if 100% quality is of essence

    • I use iMovie HD6 or FinalCut any version - as they can deliver

    • Save as a DiskImage - to see that all will work OK

    • Use High Quality Brand - I use only Verbatim - Memorex, NoName etc. are KNOWN problem makers for Video-DVDs

    • Burn Speed set down to x2 or x4

    • Free SPACE ON START-UP (Mac OS) Hard Disk - well above 25Gb ! ! (must be here on THIS DISK)

     

    For SlideShows I use FotoMagoco™

     

    For even higher need I use - Roxio Toast™ incl BD-Component and burn Blu-Ray quality onto standard DVDs (can take 20-30 minutes of this) - BUT one NEED A Blu-Ray-Player to view them (they do not play on Mac or standard DVD-Players)

     

    Yours Bengt W

  • 2. Re: Will iDVD 7.1.2 work with iMovie 11?
    mschi Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    Bengt,

    Thanks for your response.  I use the Share to Media Browser then open iDVD, then save that to disk image.  So I can follow the same steps if I upgrade to iMovie 11?  You may have answered this in your response above, if so I apologize for asking again but want to make sure I understand.

     

    Mike

  • 3. Re: Will iDVD 7.1.2 work with iMovie 11?
    cj44 Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    Hi everyone,

    I've been reading lots of these support posts on dvd output quality using iMovie '11 to iDvd. The problem is I've already done a lot of editing in iMovie '11. So, with my current iMovie '11 project, can I somehow produce a good quality standard definition Dvd?

     

    I kind of understand most of what was said but have a few questions:

     

    1. My original footage was shot at 1920 x 1280 on Canon vixia HF M500. I believe it was shot at 60i frame rate. Will I experience the quality loss from the discarding of half the frames that iMovie '11 apparently does?

     

    2. Seems to me 60i would be equivalent to 30p, would this not be OK? And if standard definition DVDs are only 30 frames interlaced anyways (is this correct?), and iMovie drops half my 60i frames, I haven't really lost anything have I?

     

    2. When I watch my Dvd I see quite a bit of noise, possibly some color loss, some jagged edges on diagonal straight lines, and a lot of pixelation (mostly in some smoke in my scene). However I've only watched it on my large HD television and my Mac monitor so I'm not sure if this is the loss of quality discussed or just the result of watching standard definition on my high definition set. Are these symptoms indicitive of the problem discussed here?

     

    3. Are there ANY solutions out there at all that can produce a high quality (highest possible quality of standard definition that is) DVD from my current iMovie '11 project? I've spent countless hours editing an hour long movie and I'm absolutely crushed as I am just learning now of these limitations of iMovie '11.

     

    My movie looks so great in iMovie right now. Its hard to believe from this excellent "source" nothing can be done. Very frustrated.

     

    Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks

     

    Craig

  • 4. Re: Will iDVD 7.1.2 work with iMovie 11?
    Bengt Wärleby Level 6 Level 6 (19,160 points)

    Share to Media Browser (NOT TO iDVD as this too degrades the final product) AND AS LARGE or Medium (as down scaling HD also gives a BAD result)

     

    use the Share to Media Browser then open iDVD, then save that to disk image.  So I can follow the same steps if I upgrade to iMovie 11?

     

    YES - and to a good quality - but not 100% of what iDVD can do.

     

    - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Following is based on MY OWN Experience and Results - - - others may be of other opinions - but should then tell howto make a better result so that it can be tested and Compared ! - - - -

     

    1. My original footage was shot at 1920 x 1280 on Canon vixia HF M500. I believe it was shot at 60i frame rate. Will I experience the quality loss from the discarding of half the frames that iMovie '11 apparently does?

     

    YES - this happens when going from Event's to Project's and can not be mended afterwards. What's lost - is lost.

     

    2. Seems to me 60i would be equivalent to 30p, would this not be OK? And if standard definition DVDs are only 30 frames interlaced anyways (is this correct?), and iMovie drops half my 60i frames, I haven't really lost anything have I?

     

    YES - as iDVD only can digest - interlaced SD-Video - feeding it HD or material that has lost every second line can not be healed - but HD will be downscaled - AND iDVD DOES THIS BADLY. Result worse than if it got interlaced SD-Video in firsthand.

     

    2. When I watch my Dvd I see quite a bit of noise, possibly some color loss, some jagged edges on diagonal straight lines, and a lot of pixelation (mostly in some smoke in my scene). However I've only watched it on my large HD television and my Mac monitor so I'm not sure if this is the loss of quality discussed or just the result of watching standard definition on my high definition set. Are these symptoms indicitive of the problem discussed here?

     

    YES - but there are DVD-players (HD-screens) that can make this more OR LESS prominent due to clever picture computing in this device

     

    3. Are there ANY solutions out there at all that can produce a high quality (highest possible quality of standard definition that is) DVD from my current iMovie '11 project? I've spent countless hours editing an hour long movie and I'm absolutely crushed as I am just learning now of these limitations of iMovie '11.

     

    NO - there are ways to copy the lines left to make the problem less noticeable - but what's lost - IS LOST

     

    My movie looks so great in iMovie right now. Its hard to believe from this excellent "source" nothing can be done. Very frustrated.

     

    Me too  That's why I use

    • iMovie HD - or -

    • FinalCut

    When I want a DVD of best possibly DVD Standard

     

    Next step to increase quality is Blu-Ray and delivering on BD-Disks or USB-memory stick - See Roxio Toast™ Pro incl BD-Component.

     

    Yours Bengt W

  • 5. Re: Will iDVD 7.1.2 work with iMovie 11?
    cj44 Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    Thanks so much. Not what I wanted to hear, but at least now I know.

     

    And now that I know, could I trouble anyone for a couple more things:

     

    1. Looking around I dug up a couple interesting things. Has anybody tried these "solutions" or improvements?

     

         - https://sites.google.com/site/theimovieoutputproject/

         - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=htT-5y3zyb8

     

    The first one in particular, from what I understand would allow someone to use iMovie '11 and get the same results as iMovie HD, by de-interlacing the video before import - theoretically eliminating the lost frames and allowing iMovie '11 to produce equivalent output to iMovie HD.

     

    The second involves downloading different codecs, those used by final cut, which supposedly improves the color depth of the export and may eliminate some of the banding issues (this would obviously not fix the lost frames).

     

    Has anybody looked into or tried either of these "solutions".

     

    2. You say iDvd downscales HD badly. So even if using iMovie HD would this not still be an issue? At some point the HD source must be downscaled. So for best possible DVD standard what is responsible for the downscaling? Do iMovie HD and final cut do this on export or do you use a different dvd authoring program than iDvd?

     

    3. Where can I get iMovie HD and will it work with Mountain Lion.

     

    Thanks everybody, I appreciate the help. I guess for $15 iMovie '11 does what can be expected, but I wish Apple would be more for forthright about these limitations.