11 Replies Latest reply: Oct 11, 2012 1:07 PM by The hatter
hotwheels 22 Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

i am going to try to study the specs on these two machines and am wondering if anyone can tell me if one or the other is a particularly good deal, bad deal, powerful machine etc and/or what i might try to look for in terms of upgrades if i don't go with either of these two machines.

 

$1819 http://store.apple.com/us/product/FC560LL/A/refurbished-mac-pro-28ghz-quad-core- intel-xeon

 

$2139 http://store.apple.com/us/product/FD770LL/A/refurbished-mac-pro-32ghz-quad-core- intel-xeon-2012

 

CURRENTLY I HAVE:

 

macpro  | 2x2.66 ghz dual core intel xeon 13 gb, nvidia geforce 8800gt, OSX 10.7.4 with 64 bit Win7 in Parallels 7 | Win7 BootCamp (native) | WinXP Boot Camp (native) |

 

BACKGROUND:

 

i have a first generation Mac Pro that will not upgrade to Mountain Lion which i have on my MacBookPro and i am thinking about making a relatively impulsive purchase on one of these two machines just so i can get back to running the same OS on both machines. i do 3D modeling, run a couple of windows boot camp partitions.

 

my understanding is that i can just pop in my 4 Hard Drives but that i will have to buy all new RAM (currently I have 13GB). i also got a free upgrade on the video card and i am assuming that i would not try to switch this out or otherwise try to put it in the new machine (it is a nvidia geforce 8800gt).


Mac Pro, Mac OS X (10.7.4), with 64 bit Win7 in Parallel
  • 1. Re: new refurbished mac pro model advice
    The hatter Level 9 Level 9 (58,885 points)

    8800s have EFI32 and would need to be flashed - though any new machine would come with 5770. Get a GTX 570 or above $319 someday.

  • 2. Re: new refurbished mac pro model advice
    Grant Bennet-Alder Level 8 Level 8 (49,285 points)

    How handy are you?

     

    The cheap one with a 6-core processor upgrade is hard to do, but gives you a screamer if successful.

  • 3. Re: new refurbished mac pro model advice
    hotwheels 22 Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    hi hatter.

     

    i am not exceptionally knowledgeable about technical issues and don't understand this answer.

     

    can you flesh it out a little in a way that a relatively non-technical person such as myself can understand?

     

    i don't even get whether you like one of these machines, understand what EFI32, 8800 or what "flashed" is.

     

    also, 5770 and GTX 570 refer to video cards and if so what are you saying about them exactly??

     

    THANKS

  • 4. Re: new refurbished mac pro model advice
    hotwheels 22 Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    hi grant.

     

    thanks. you are awesome.

     

    i am pretty technically handy and i am sure i could handle anything given good enough instructions.

     

    also, any advice on getting a good deal with a screaming machine (without too much additional cost) would be both nice and a nice way to resolve this.

     

    i hadn't intended on spending the money on this but i need to get it out of the way to finish my portage to mac.

     

    can you flesh out what you are explaining to me on this issue? 6 core processor upgrade involves purchasing what? also, if there was something exceptionally tricky i have a computer guy that handles some stuff for me (you are not talking like something along the lines of soldering i suppose...).

     

    THANKS

     

    - jon

  • 5. Re: new refurbished mac pro model advice
    Grant Bennet-Alder Level 8 Level 8 (49,285 points)

    The hatter has posted the details of the processor to buy on your "selling" thread. You also will need some special tools and some Thermal paste. There are several good guides online specific to this upgrade.

  • 6. Re: new refurbished mac pro model advice
    The hatter Level 9 Level 9 (58,885 points)

    There are already FAQs and HOW TO on MacRumors (and easy to find at a glance, too, the question / topic commes up daily )  and your name isn't new here.

     

    Watch the great well done youtube that will walk you through how it is done.

     

    Hard to do? swapping out processor is considered easy compared to other Mac Pro models, harder when compared to say RAM or disk drive yes.

     

    All We Know About Maximizing CPU Related Performance (Multi-page thread 1 2 3 4 5 6 ... Last Page)
    you would like 2010 for Windows with GTX 570 or 670:
    My Review of GTX 670 in OS X and Win7! (Multi-page thread 1 2 3 4)
    Fastest Mac GPUs with full EFI boot screens, etc, GTX570 & GTX580 (Multi-page thread 1 2 3 4 5 6 ... Last Page)
    Frequently Asked Questions About NVIDIA PC (non-EFI) Graphics Cards (Multi-page thread 1 2 3 4 5)
    2008 8-core 2.8ghz vs 2010 2.8ghz Quad Core for graphic work?

     

     

  • 7. Re: new refurbished mac pro model advice
    hotwheels 22 Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    hi grant.

     

    thank you. i am printing out hatter's links (thank you!) and will study them over the next couple of days.

     

    just because a lot of this can get very technical for me and because it is easy for me to get lost in a lot of it.

     

    can i please ask you if you are recommending the $1800 nehalem as a particularly good deal and then you are saying that if i want a really screaming machine i can spend another $600 and take the effort to install something that will then make this machine a screaming machine at an extremely good price?

     

    i mean, i am going to spend a couple of dollars on additional RAM and i think i am seeing some recommendations on new video cards i could buy but in terms of making an immediate decision is the $1800 nehalem a great deal with the option of adding another $600 to this in the event that i really need to get it to perform exceptionally well?

     

    also, i assume this level of work on it will void the warranty...? i mean, i am not so sure i need to do this sort of customization at least within the 3 year applecare...

     

    THANK YOU

  • 8. Re: new refurbished mac pro model advice
    hotwheels 22 Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    hi hatter.

     

    thank you.

     

    i will study these links and a big THANK YOU for posting them. very helpful.

     

    can i just please ask you if we are talking about potentially swapping out the processor on the NEW machine though? i mean, from the sounds of it this machine will cost me $1800 plus $600 and some work with customizing it but also the possibility of voiding the warranty perhaps?

     

    and - i mean is it possible to swap out the processor on the 1,1 Mac Pro if I wanted to just keep working with it and spend my money on a new Laptop so as to get my moms a mac by giving her my old one?

     

    or - well i guess the 1,1 is not a machine i should be thinking about customizing even though it is out of warranty?

  • 9. Re: new refurbished mac pro model advice
    Grant Bennet-Alder Level 8 Level 8 (49,285 points)

    If you are going to buy it and use it as is, the faster clock speed 4-core would be better. But if you are going to modify it, buy the cheapest one, since you are going to replace the relatively slow processor anyway.

     

    You would still be doing OK (not stellar) if you bought the slowest one, and never got around to the upgrade. It has twice the processing power of the Mac Pro you have now.

  • 10. Re: new refurbished mac pro model advice
    hotwheels 22 Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    hi grant. thanks.

     

    is the url posted at $1800 a particularly good deal? i mean if i can buy 10 GB of RAM for $150 and be up and running at twice the processing power (with the new OS) and sell the existing machine for $600 or so it may not be a bad solution for me at the moment.

     

    that said for another $300 i guess i get a much better machine with the second link?

     

    also, does this customization we are talking about void my warranty? i am relying on my 3 year applecare pretty heavily, i find and i am not sure i am ready on this go round to become a modder...

     

    that said, there is nothing keeping me from modding the 1,1 but i guess this is a silly idea for practical reasons i guess...?

  • 11. Re: new refurbished mac pro model advice
    The hatter Level 9 Level 9 (58,885 points)

    A new 3.2GHz 4-core runs $2500? nice.

     

    $300 DDR3 in 2010 buys probably 32GB. I would get 3x8GB for graphics at minimum.

     

    Ever look at the geekbench scores?

     

    Yes there is help on how to turn your 1,1 into 8-core $200 2xX5355s but I don't see that as economical.

     

    the cpu swap is a warranty voiding upgrade. Some keep the old one around, some sell the 2.8 4-core $200.

     

    The memory bandwidth, the graphic subsystem, what would be nice are two SATA3 ports.

     

    And about HT:

     

    http://www.bing.com/search?q=hyper-threading+wikipedia