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  • 4,755. Re: MacBook Pro Retina display burn-in?
    Barry Fisher Level 3 Level 3 (655 points)

    Isn't D65 pretty much 6500K?  If you want it bluer I think you turn it back to 6000 or less even 5500

  • 4,756. Re: MacBook Pro Retina display burn-in?
    Barry Fisher Level 3 Level 3 (655 points)


    reference: whrl.pl/RdihcL

    posted 2012-Aug-25, 11pm AEST

    edited 2012-Aug-25, 11pm AEST

    User #237798   455 posts

    Mazzy Sensei

    Forum Regular

     

     

    If ever you can afford some time, I would suggest you just simply wait.  Ask for a refund instead of exchanging the machine and order another unit in a couple weeks.

     

    I am currently in Italy, working with a photographer and we are 4 people here with a MBP Retina. Two of us are having a VERY yellow display.  The two others (both LG screens) are absolutely stunning and the best screens I have ever seen.

     

    Right now, as I said, I have a laptop with a Samsung screen which is still terribly yellow.  Beyond the Image Retention problem mentioned in another thread ( I never experienced it myself even on my first LG screen), the yellow issue itself is such a massive problem working in imagery that I will return this unit as well. I simply cannot work with it.  It just means all the work I am doing while on-site, I have to do again, running back home to my 27" Cinema Display.

     

    That's not so much, except it becomes a problem when one travels far to work as I do, hence I do not always have the timeframe to afford waiting to come back home to work properly.

     

    I intend to send back this second unit, ask for a refund and wait a few weeks before purchasing another one.

    There are several reports of people receiving either Samsung or LG screens lately and they say the color temp is perfect.  Therefore, it means there are GOOD units out there.

     

    I cannot understand HOW this YELLOW temp affects both brands, but there is something wrong here for sure.

    Since some are now happy with their MBP, I prefer to wait to get another one.

    In the meantime, I'll buy a second hand MBP - previous model so at least I CAN work, then re-sell it when I buy the Retina.

     

    Overall, it's quite a pain I have to say. However, the specs and quality of the Retina model are just outstanding and worth the money and the wait, I think.

    It is just sad it has to go through such a painful ordeal.

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    LOL guys, I just got a "yellow" Samsung screen. It's closer to being accurate than the screaming blue LG. I'm also now picking up more shadow detail. The reason I now have a Samsung is because I had an LG and it had image retention. TRUST me on this one...You do NOT want an LG. More than likely you will have severe image retention which would never allow you to accurately do photographic work because you would think that you were seeing things all the time. Well, you would be...Bright white areas that were on the screen previously (for not that long at all). You would have a very tough time with dodging/burning of particular areas of a photo and the exposure settings in general if you have remnants of an image overtop what you're trying to adjust. As far as I'm concerned I've never had a worse screen for photographic work than the LG I previously had in my rMBP. You guys don't know what you're asking for Heh the grass is always greener I guess...It just simply may be a while before we get what we consider "perfect" IPS displays I guess...But I think yellow (not that yellow) is better than the image retention. Yes, the Samsung panel is also not as bright, but the LG was too bright. Having had both now personally.

     

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    Here's just the pertinent part of one from this thread...

     

     

    I just got my machine back today repaired at the store. Took about 44 hours total from drop off to pick up. It is a Samsung! No one told me that they are only replacing with Samsung screens, but it is nonetheless. In fact, when I went to go run the terminal command, it was already in the grayed out area / bash history. So they ran the command themselves at the Apple store after they replaced the screen. I guess they don't know what the screen is themselves before they put it in! Glad they ran the command to check. This obviously means they are more aware of the situation than they are admitting...That or the genius there was more aware and figured they'd double check for me.

     

    The screen has no dead pixels or light leaks fortunately. I do see what people mean by yellow tint though. To me, this is how Apple displays have always looked though. They typically have a warmer white point setting than PCs. Also when you calibrate the monitors with a Spyder, they also even take on a warmer tone for color accuracy. I don't consider this a problem because you can calibrate your monitor. Even by eye if you go to system settings and make it as blue as you want. So honestly, I think it's a matter of personal preference in this case and I'm willing to bet anyone calibrating their LG screen would end up with slightly warmer tones anyway. So unless it's screaming yellow, I don't consider it a flaw or defect at all. Plus, for what it's worth, it's easier on the eyes. So less eye strain.

     

     

     

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    Here's another from this thread.....

     

     

     

    I have seen yellow tinted samsung displays and bright white samsung displays - anyone know if the bright white ones were limited to the first month or so of these laptops? I had one on my first laptop which had a large mura and I've seen them on display models which I'm assuming are from first couple weeks of production - but not sure if these still exist in current production.

     

     

    Here's a piece of an LG v Samsung debate. (I think it just shows there's been problems with both)

    Evan Bruhn

    Forum Regular

    I have a rM*Dom*

     

     

    If ever you can afford some time, I would suggest you just simply wait.  Ask for a refund instead of exchanging the machine and order another unit in a couple weeks.

     

    I am currently in Italy, working with a photographer and we are 4 people here with a MBP Retina. Two of us are having a VERY yellow display.  The two others (both LG screens) are absolutely stunning and the best screens I have ever seen.

     

    Right now, as I said, I have a laptop with a Samsung screen which is still terribly yellow.  Beyond the Image Retention problem mentioned in another thread ( I never experienced it myself even on my first LG screen), the yellow issue itself is such a massive problem working in imagery that I will return this unit as well. I simply cannot work with it.  It just means all the work I am doing while on-site, I have to do again, running back home to my 27" Cinema Display.

     

    That's not so much, except it becomes a problem when one travels far to work as I do, hence I do not always have the timeframe to afford waiting to come back home to work properly.

     

    I intend to send back this second unit, ask for a refund and wait a few weeks before purchasing another one.

    There are several reports of people receiving either Samsung or LG screens lately and they say the color temp is perfect.  Therefore, it means there are GOOD units out there.

     

    I cannot understand HOW this YELLOW temp affects both brands, but there is something wrong here for sure.

    Since some are now happy with their MBP, I prefer to wait to get another one.

    In the meantime, I'll buy a second hand MBP - previous model so at least I CAN work, then re-sell it when I buy the Retina.

     

    Overall, it's quite a pain I have to say. However, the specs and quality of the Retina model are just outstanding and worth the money and the wait, I think.

    It is just sad it has to go through such a painful ordeal.

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    LOL guys, I just got a "yellow" Samsung screen. It's closer to being accurate than the screaming blue LG. I'm also now picking up more shadow detail. The reason I now have a Samsung is because I had an LG and it had image retention. TRUST me on this one...You do NOT want an LG. More than likely you will have severe image retention which would never allow you to accurately do photographic work because you would think that you were seeing things all the time. Well, you would be...Bright white areas that were on the screen previously (for not that long at all). You would have a very tough time with dodging/burning of particular areas of a photo and the exposure settings in general if you have remnants of an image overtop what you're trying to adjust. As far as I'm concerned I've never had a worse screen for photographic work than the LG I previously had in my rMBP. You guys don't know what you're asking for Heh the grass is always greener I guess...It just simply may be a while before we get what we consider "perfect" IPS displays I guess...But I think yellow (not that yellow) is better than the image retention. Yes, the Samsung panel is also not as bright, but the LG was too bright. Having had both now personally.

     

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    Here's just the pertinent part of one from this thread...

     

     

     

    I just got my machine back today repaired at the store. Took about 44 hours total from drop off to pick up. It is a Samsung! No one told me that they are only replacing with Samsung screens, but it is nonetheless. In fact, when I went to go run the terminal command, it was already in the grayed out area / bash history. So they ran the command themselves at the Apple store after they replaced the screen. I guess they don't know what the screen is themselves before they put it in! Glad they ran the command to check. This obviously means they are more aware of the situation than they are admitting...That or the genius there was more aware and figured they'd double check for me.

     

    The screen has no dead pixels or light leaks fortunately. I do see what people mean by yellow tint though. To me, this is how Apple displays have always looked though. They typically have a warmer white point setting than PCs. Also when you calibrate the monitors with a Spyder, they also even take on a warmer tone for color accuracy. I don't consider this a problem because you can calibrate your monitor. Even by eye if you go to system settings and make it as blue as you want. So honestly, I think it's a matter of personal preference in this case and I'm willing to bet anyone calibrating their LG screen would end up with slightly warmer tones anyway. So unless it's screaming yellow, I don't consider it a flaw or defect at all. Plus, for what it's worth, it's easier on the eyes. So less eye strain.

     

     

     

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    Here's a piece of an LG v Samsung debate. (I think it just shows there's been problems with both)

    Evan Bruhn

    Forum Regular

    I have a rMBP with an LG display and I've been unsuccessful in replicating the image retention issue. Samsung display is still preferable (as you reduce your chances of having this issue to zero), but not all LG displays are defective either.

    reference: whrl.pl/Rdig0a

    posted 2012-Aug-25, 10pm AEST

    User #25558   393 posts

    angelus512

    Forum Regular

    Having owned both. Samsung screen is better, anybody who says otherwise is ignoring the mounting posts of others. A clear leader in defect versus the other. So frankly there is absolutely ZERO argument that can be made otherwise.

    BP with an LG display and I've been unsuccessful in replicating the image retention issue. Samsung display is still preferable (as you reduce your chances of having this issue to zero), but not all LG displays are defective either.

    reference: whrl.pl/Rdig0a

    posted 2012-Aug-25, 10pm AEST

    User #25558   393 posts

    angelus512

    Forum Regular

    Having owned both. Samsung screen is better, anybody who says otherwise is ignoring the mounting posts of others. A clear leader in defect versus the other. So frankly there is absolutely ZERO argument that can be made otherwise.

    Having owned both. LG screen is better, anybody who says otherwise is ignoring the mounting posts of others. A clear leader in defect versus the other. So frankly there is absolutely ZERO argument that can be made otherwise.

    reference: whrl.pl/Rdijz1

    posted 2012-Aug-26, 8pm AEST

    User #138640   200 posts

    DMojo.

    Forum Regular

    I had the Samsung screen and it was absolutely AWFUL. Bottom half of the panel had a yellow tint compared to top, and the whole screen would have varying tones of yellow at different angles. ****** me off big time, so I just got a repair done at the Genius Bar. They replaced it with an LG and its MUCH better – uniform colour tone and better with colour consistency at different angles of viewing.

    I might have just had a defective first panel but much happier with this LG.

    reference: whrl.pl/Rdike2

    posted 2012-Aug-27, 12am AEST

     

     

    I'm just trying to show, that I wasn't pulling the yellow screen just out of the air.  It is out there. It seems that both manufactors have problems, though it seems the LG have a better chance of a problem If one were to take a vote from those who have reported problems.  Oops, sorry for citing user-name-taken twice, that's redundant.  This is about 20 - 30 minutes of research.  That's enough. 

     

    Message was edited by: Barry Fisher

  • 4,757. Re: MacBook Pro Retina display burn-in?
    Dr Sly Level 1 Level 1 (145 points)

    Hello,

     

    I had four machines in total, and while they insisted that they couldn't tell which machine has which part, the time I insisted the most is the time I finally got a Samsung display...

     

    So six screens on four rMBPs later... I got a perfect rMBP (no mura, no yellow tint, no dead pixels, no bleeding, nothing wrong).

     

    Did you order them and return them to the Apple Store Mtl ? Because I actually purchased all of them in-store.

     

    If you buy and return within 14 days, they can't deny you anything. How long have you had this particular machine?

  • 4,758. Re: MacBook Pro Retina display burn-in?
    Dr Sly Level 1 Level 1 (145 points)

    I haven't seen a yellow Samsung display on rMBPs, all Smasungs I've seen (about 8-10) were perfect white points, much colder colours (or warmer temperatures, since it is inversed in terms of temps).

     

    On the other hand, the dozens of LG displays I've seen on rMBPs were mostly yellow, from faint to horrible.

     

    I've also had one pinkish LG rMBP, which had very faint IR and was otherwise very pretty.

  • 4,759. Re: MacBook Pro Retina display burn-in?
    codydhorner Level 1 Level 1 (15 points)

    Dude, that's a load of BS if I've ever heard one based on my experience. The Samsung screens are a bit more yellow and warm. The LG's have a very crisp (almost blue) white.


    If you're looking to match the white-point on an Apple Cinema Display the LG screens on the rMBP tend to match up better with the ACD - and considering it has an LG IPS panel as well it's not much of a surprise to me.

     

     

    Dr Sly wrote:

     

    I haven't seen a yellow Samsung display on rMBPs, all Smasungs I've seen (about 8-10) were perfect white points, much colder colours (or warmer temperatures, since it is inversed in terms of temps).

     

    On the other hand, the dozens of LG displays I've seen on rMBPs were mostly yellow, from faint to horrible.

     

    I've also had one pinkish LG rMBP, which had very faint IR and was otherwise very pretty.

  • 4,760. Re: MacBook Pro Retina display burn-in?
    Dr Sly Level 1 Level 1 (145 points)

    Wait, what?

     

    Did you just call me a liar or something?

     

    I clearly mentioned my sample sizes for both LG and Samsung displays. Not significant in any way or shape, but how about yours?

     

    Probably oh-so much more significant? Do you even know what satistical significance means? In frequency-based statistics, from probability theory?

     

    All ACDs I've set eyes on (maybe 10-20 in the office and at home) have always ever been perfectly calibrated. And the white point was D65 with a white-bluish or white-yellowish at less than 2-3% saturation.

     

    Your... experience? Experience in what? How many rMBPs have you toyed with?

     

    Oh right, I don't care.

     

    codydhorner wrote:

     

    Dude, that's a load of BS if I've ever heard one based on my experience. The Samsung screens are a bit more yellow and warm. The LG's have a very crisp (almost blue) white.


    If you're looking to match the white-point on an Apple Cinema Display the LG screens on the rMBP tend to match up better with the ACD - and considering it has an LG IPS panel as well it's not much of a surprise to me.

     

     

    Dr Sly wrote:

     

    I haven't seen a yellow Samsung display on rMBPs, all Smasungs I've seen (about 8-10) were perfect white points, much colder colours (or warmer temperatures, since it is inversed in terms of temps).

     

    On the other hand, the dozens of LG displays I've seen on rMBPs were mostly yellow, from faint to horrible.

     

    I've also had one pinkish LG rMBP, which had very faint IR and was otherwise very pretty.

  • 4,761. Re: MacBook Pro Retina display burn-in?
    Dave Z Level 1 Level 1 (60 points)

    codydhorner wrote:

     

    Dude, that's a load of BS if I've ever heard one based on my experience. The Samsung screens are a bit more yellow and warm. The LG's have a very crisp (almost blue) white.

     

    Dr Sly wrote:

     

    I haven't seen a yellow Samsung display on rMBPs, all Smasungs I've seen (about 8-10) were perfect white points, much colder colours (or warmer temperatures, since it is inversed in terms of temps).

     

    On the other hand, the dozens of LG displays I've seen on rMBPs were mostly yellow, from faint to horrible.

     

    I've also had one pinkish LG rMBP, which had very faint IR and was otherwise very pretty.

     

    You can't really argue Dr Sly's point. He didn't say all Samsungs or all LGs, he said all the ones he has seen; which could very well be true--and he has nothing to really gain by misrepresenting information in that post.

     

    My Samsung display has a warmer colour (i.e. it's more yellow than blue at the default white point setting). I could turn it up a bit to a truer white but why? The whites basically look white to me and without an actual tool to calibrate it wouldn't make sense for such a minor correction.

     

    Colour temperatures in monitors are like frequency responses in speakers. There's a reason we have EQs and there's a reason we have colour calibrators. Depending on a variety of factors the panels will produce warmer or cooler tones. We calibrate the panels to get the "perfect" white point.

  • 4,762. Re: MacBook Pro Retina display burn-in?
    Danny Swish Level 1 Level 1 (10 points)

    TOO MUCH TESTOSTERONE IN THE ROOM.

     

    The tech community needs more women. Everybody calm down and stop being so personal about all this. It's just a fricken support site.

  • 4,763. Re: MacBook Pro Retina display burn-in?
    m1ik8e Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    Out of curiosity, What's your configuration? Week of build?

  • 4,764. Re: MacBook Pro Retina display burn-in?
    Geronta Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    Hi, this is my first post but I read the discussion from the beginning.


    I buy only Apple since 1992 and I was extremely satisfied: spend more but I had professionalism and reliability. Now I'm tempted to leave Apple.


    I'm really frustrated by this situation and Apple's silence.

    In 20 years I've never seen an issue so big without official answers (Apple now speaks only of scratches on the Iphone and purple halos!!!)


    I wanted to buy rMBP immediately and today serves more than ever (I'm a graphic designer), but I can't spend 3000 euros for a computer with a screen that can be bad!

    There is no one an Apple retail store near where I live and try to compare online and participate in the raffle of LG and Samsung can't afford it and unfortunately I have extreme urgency to buy a high-end notebook.


    I wanted to know if this topic is there any Italian like me who recently bought a rMBP here in Italy and that screen has.


    Thanks to anyone who can help me and reply!


    Note: sorry for my english!

  • 4,765. Re: MacBook Pro Retina display burn-in?
    Sound Evolution Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    Ok, My rMBP arrived. It is a week 40 (chipmunk)

     

    The screen is:

     

    Color LCD

    LP154WT1-SJA1

    DCN238303GVF49KAU

     

    From the start up I knew already it is an LG, because I can regonize them on the spot (a Samsung or an LG)

     

    That said, I going to keep this one. The screen is gorgeous, and I love the natrual color and the immense deep blacks. This is also the first unit without any cosmetical damage and/or missligned trackpad. There is to much to loose to send it back.

     

    I will make an agreement with my contact person at Apple that if IR will reach the point that it is unbearable that I can let it repaired for another screen.

     

    Having it side by side next to my co-workers week 34 rMBP with Samsung screen we both noticed the following differences:

     

    1: The Samsung has sharper font's. It is like the letters are closer to the glass and sharper printed (hard to explain)

    2: My co-workers Samsung isn't yellow, but more bluish in color. My LG looks softer on the eyes

    3: The LG has subjectively more equally whites. The samsung change in color tone on the right part of the screen

    4: The LG has really deeper black levels. We do PCB design, and the same CAD drawings with black background seems to looks more 3D with deeper blacks then on the Samsung.

    5: IR Well at this point we both don't have IR with checkboard test, but I am not naive, I know one day it will show up. For me it is just a matter now how much IR will I accept.

    6: Subjectively again, the LG has more vivid colors then the Samsung.

    7: Strange enough this LG (unlike all the former LG's I have seen) has a huge brightness and is actually brighter then the Samsung. Maybe they changed the LED's?

    8: Viewing angles. With the same PCB CAD drawings when pressented to the team, the LG can be vieuwed from the side and still have all the details and focus. the Samsung when looking from asside change in color tone and some details of the drawing can't be seen anymore.

     

    However, despite all above comments, the Samsung is simply the better display for the fact it doesn't have IR.

     

    People who insist to get a Samsung, I think the chance is more rare now if you order new to get a Samsung. Also at the stores around me it are mostly LG's now and most people who recently ordered a rMBA from week 40 received an LG. It would be an unfair lotterly because I don't believe at this point the change is even 50% you get a Samsung.

     

    Good luck everyone. I going to keep mine and going to enjoy this wonderfull machine.

  • 4,766. Re: MacBook Pro Retina display burn-in?
    Tadziak Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    Really smart, considerate and accurate post. I came to simmilar conclusion. Wating for my delivery, had already 5 Retinas and I'm fed up with playing Samsung lottery. If the machine that I receive will be flawless except from it being an LG, I will keep it. At worse at some point (if retention is really bothering) I will send it in for screen replacement, which is probably much safer bet now than trying to swap whole machines.

  • 4,767. Re: MacBook Pro Retina display burn-in?
    Boby51 Level 1 Level 1 (15 points)

    I have LG for last two months which has minor IR issue. I have tested using checkerboard / dark gray and can only see very faint IR after 10 min which totally disappeared in less than 1 min. Also have  noticed it not getting any worse over time.

  • 4,768. Re: MacBook Pro Retina display burn-in?
    geyien Level 1 Level 1 (70 points)

    Same here.  On my third day with my rMBP with LG screen and it is flawless so far: no uneven lighting, no dead pixels, no strange colour tints, no cosmetic damage, no heat problems, etc. etc.  And no IR "yet".

     

    Nobody knows, but it could be that more recent LG panels have been modified in production to either not exhibit IR problems or to not exhibit them with the same degree of severity as earlier first-run batches?  I live in hope!

     

    I also don't think that getting a Samsung would necessarily solve the problem, as it sounds like they have their own set of issues too.  It really is a bit of a crap-shoot at the moment.

     

    This machine is amazing and is more than just its screen: fast flash storage; beefy processor, RAM and graphics; USB 3.0, Thunderbolt, HDMI; slim and light form-factor, silent, even more rounded edges so I don't cut my wrists while typing (LOL) ... I'm enjoying it, and would be loathe to give it up or settle for yesterday's models.

     

    If / when problems do show up down the line, I would also hope that Apple would be that bit wiser about the issue causes by then and would also have some kind of more durable solution available, maybe even better panels than are currently being supplied.  So, I'll just get the screen replaced then under AppleCare.

     

    Good luck to everyone struggling with this issue, and I'll report back if IR starts showing up on my LG panel.

  • 4,769. Re: MacBook Pro Retina display burn-in?
    SitaCh Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    Yes I agree with this. I'm a girl and I've been following this for weeks now, and the thread does get off track with the personal attacks. I think we're all ultimately on the same page here mostly so it isn't necessary.

     

    With that said this thread is the main reason I haven't yet bought my own rMBP. I need a new mac because my current MBP has some issues. I can work around them but I really, really want an rMBP. I was set to buy it a couple weeks ago but before I ordered it I did a search on known problems and found tons and tons of posts all about this IR issue.

     

    So I went down to my Apple store and ran the terminal test to see what displays they had in the store. Side by side were two rMBPs, one with a Samsung display, the other LG. I did my own test and in less than five minutes could see IR on the LG screen. Then I went right up to the sales guy and asked him about this. Honestly he looked exasperated and he did know what I was talking about. I asked him if he knew what Apple's plans were going forward as far as whether they would be using only Samsung displays or what. He told me that of course they are not told anything about official policy, but the fact that Apple is in a lawsuit with Samsung that that is a good indicator of where things are going in the future as far as the relationship with Samsung, and that his feeling is that LG is not going away as a display manufacturer for the rMBP. He also said he could not tell by serial number LG vs. Samsung displays, and he would not allow looking in boxes to find one.

     

    I'm thinking of moving to Europe in the spring and I need a new computer before I go, but with all the folks here posting about how hard it is to get service over there I'm seriously thinking about just getting a MBA because it's cheaper and then getting another new one whenever this problem gets worked out. That ***** but idk what to do. It really makes me sad cuz I really want the rMBP. Once you see one it's just unbelievable how amazing they are. I don't want to battle with Apple to get what should be a perfect system right out of the box, and I applaud all of you who are fighting this battle because it is having an impact on Apple going forward.