11 Replies Latest reply: Oct 13, 2012 8:50 AM by deggie
Minister1906 Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

I had Siri working on my iPhone 3G before Apple bought the company that made the app. Now everyone is saying the iPhone 4 and below do not have the power to run Siri. I do not believe it to be true. Please help me understand why Apple took Siri away from me?


iPhone 4, iOS 6
  • 1. Re: Why is it Siri is not available on the iPhone 4?
    ckuan Level 7 Level 7 (21,515 points)

    iPhone never had Siri. As you know Apple bought the company and the Siri is now available only in iPhone 4S, iPhone 5, iPad 3rd generations and 5th generation iPod touch. Siri before is not the same as Siri now because Apple is using a chip which is not available prior iPhone 4S and also Siri is using Apple servers.

  • 2. Re: Why is it Siri is not available on the iPhone 4?
    Minister1906 Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    Your statement is not entirely true. Siri started out as an app on from the App Store. I still have it in my iTunes app section. When Apple purchased the rights from the developers, the servers that ran the "app version" stopped working. Now the same program I had 2 1/2 years ago on my iphone 3g will not run and I'm being told the only way to get it now is to upgrade to at least the 4s.

     

    I'm not wealthy and cannot afford to drop off $200.00 every year just to gain a few new features. I upgraded from the 3G to the 4 only to see the 4s come out 2weeks later. I was happy with my iPhone 3G even though the 3GS came out a month later.  But I am starting to loose my loyalty to Apple when they are constantly dangling new features on their newer devices in front on me knowing that these features could run on their older devices, but Apple leaves them off just to get me to upgrade.

  • 3. Re: Why is it Siri is not available on the iPhone 4?
    ckuan Level 7 Level 7 (21,515 points)

    Minister1906 wrote:

     

    Your statement is not entirely true. Siri started out as an app on from the App Store. I still have it in my iTunes app section. When Apple purchased the rights from the developers, the servers that ran the "app version" stopped working. Now the same program I had 2 1/2 years ago on my iphone 3g will not run and I'm being told the only way to get it now is to upgrade to at least the 4s.

    Now, Siri is using Apple servers not from the previous developer's server. The previous server was shut down so that's why the Siri app you have do not work. It is trying to connect to a server that do not exists anymore.

     

    I'm not wealthy and cannot afford to drop off $200.00 every year just to gain a few new features. I upgraded from the 3G to the 4 only to see the 4s come out 2weeks later. I was happy with my iPhone 3G even though the 3GS came out a month later.  But I am starting to loose my loyalty to Apple when they are constantly dangling new features on their newer devices in front on me knowing that these features could run on their older devices, but Apple leaves them off just to get me to upgrade.

    It is known that every year Apple will bring a new iPhone to the market. So if you buy an iPhone 2 weeks earlier instead of waiting for the new iPhone, that can happen.

    No, not all new feature can runs on old hardware. This is called progress. But wait, your iPhone is still running fine as you bought it. You are not forced to upgrade. But if the new feature is important to you then pay for it.

    Next year, there will be another new iPhone with new features that you might want/like and will not run on iPhone you bought.  And it happens the year after ....

  • 4. Re: Why is it Siri is not available on the iPhone 4?
    chrisfromgastonia Level 5 Level 5 (4,185 points)

    I understand your frustration, but that holds true for the vast majority of phone manufacturers, not just apple. As technology evolves, so does the features on new phones.

  • 5. Re: Why is it Siri is not available on the iPhone 4?
    Minister1906 Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    I do understand what you are saying. But allow me to point out that this is not "progress" as you called it in your previous post. Bare with me a second and read the following.

     

    Once the iPhone4s was released, Apple recieved a multitude of complaints that althought both phones (iPhone 4 and iPhone4s) where running the same software package (iOS5.0), there where programs (such as Siri) that Apple would not allow to run on both phones. The Board of Executives took a vote and where going to provide a link on the Apple website to allow users of the iPhone4 to download several programs shipped with the iphone 4s but not available to the iphone 4. The Executive Board voted "yes" until the VP of Marketing and the Head of Research showed the Member of the Board how much profit Apple would loose on the iPhone 4s already in production and exported internationally. So the Board voted again and overturned it's own vote just to ensure the iPhone 4s would reach it's market potenial - and it did. The iPhone 4s outsold all of it's predecessors by a huge volume.

     

    However, in contrast, Apple's latest release - the iPhone 5 - is not expected to see the volume of it's senior model. The market is showing that although the iPhone 5 hit a record in pre-release and intial opening weekend sales, it's interests are tapering off from the consistant volume the iphone 4s enjoyed this time last year. Analyists are speculating that Apple's 4th Quather this year and 1st Quater next year will not be as Apple has projected.

     

    I wonder if there are others who feel like I do - that it's just rude to with hold a product feature that I could benefit from just to get me to upgrade to a newer phone. I feel that a company should show some loyality and appreciation to customers who are loyal to it.

     

    ckuan, everyone is entitled to their beliefs and opinions - and I respect yours - however, a few more rounds of this from Apple and I am finding a new company to invest in.

  • 6. Re: Why is it Siri is not available on the iPhone 4?
    Meg St._Clair Level 8 Level 8 (38,425 points)

    Minister1906 wrote:

     

     

    everyone is entitled to their beliefs and opinions - and I respect yours - however, a few more rounds of this from Apple and I am finding a new company to invest in.

    A phone is a tool, not an investment. There is almost zero probabiity that it will appreciate in value. And, yes, you should buy the tool that best meets your needs. If you want to invest in something, buy stock or real estate.

  • 7. Re: Why is it Siri is not available on the iPhone 4?
    deggie Level 8 Level 8 (46,555 points)

    "Once the iPhone4s was released, Apple recieved a multitude of complaints that althought both phones (iPhone 4 and iPhone4s) where running the same software package (iOS5.0), there where programs (such as Siri) that Apple would not allow to run on both phones. The Board of Executives took a vote and where going to provide a link on the Apple website to allow users of the iPhone4 to download several programs shipped with the iphone 4s but not available to the iphone 4. The Executive Board voted "yes" until the VP of Marketing and the Head of Research showed the Member of the Board how much profit Apple would loose on the iPhone 4s already in production and exported internationally. So the Board voted again and overturned it's own vote just to ensure the iPhone 4s would reach it's market potenial - and it did. The iPhone 4s outsold all of it's predecessors by a huge volume."

     

    None of this story is true. It is a nice story you've made up but it has nothing to do with reality.

  • 8. Re: Why is it Siri is not available on the iPhone 4?
    Minister1906 Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    @deggie. http://news.softpedia.com/news/Apple-Puts-Siri-on-iPhone-4-Considering-Release-C andidate-232589.shtml

     

    The above link is to a news article published back in 2011. Apple was considering putting Siri and other programs on older devices in response to the landslide of complaints that they received from Apple idevice users. Just like I said in my post earlier. What the article does not say is what I continued to explain - Apple saw how much money they would loose if they did release the programs and decided not to.

     

    Whether you think I am full of crap or not, you have to admit that this article proves at least part of my claim. Bottom line, Siri in its present form will run on older idevices. Sure things like the hi-fi mic and more powerful processor of the iPhone 5 will allow programs like Siri to run faster and more efficiently, but to say that the older idevices will not run them at all is just not true.

  • 9. Re: Why is it Siri is not available on the iPhone 4?
    Minister1906 Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    @ Meg st._Clair.

     

    Yes. Your statement is absolutely correct. In it's rawest form, people invest with the hope that what they have invested in appreciates in value and the investor can then realize a return. This is what is commonly known as the ROI or Return On Investment.  However, many of the brightest and most successful people in the world know that this formula only holds true if money and wealth are the only "returns" you believe can be reaped. These people - like me- understand that many of the most valuable "returns" do not have price tags or dollar amounts attached to them.

     

    I recently took my daughter to her first circus. The next day my Facebook status read: "Tickets = $70.00; Food and Beverages = $28.50; Circus Toy = $25.00; My daughter telling me this was the best day of her life and giving the hardest hug I ever felt = PRICELESS!

     

    Meg, everything we do is an investment. Whether it's your time, your attention, your money... There are all investments. So when I said I was "investing" money into my iPhone, I wasn't expecting the phone to get more valuable in the dollar aspect of it. I expect my ROI from my iPhone to come from the satisfaction I get from the benefits of its features. I became upset and frustrated when Apple changed the rules.

     

    Look at it this way. Let's say you went to a Ford dealership and bought a nice truck with XM radio added to it. Now the Ford Motor Company does not own XML Radio broadcast - it's a subscription you purchase that adds a feature to your radio, thus increasing your entertainment benefit. Lets say for the sake of this example you enjoyed the xm radio broadcasts so much that you purchased a lifetime subscription. Then one day, Ford Motor Company buys the rights to xm radio, discontinues the signal and announces th

  • 10. Re: Why is it Siri is not available on the iPhone 4?
    Minister1906 Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    Cont'd

     

    ...they will only equip their newest lineup of vehicles with XM radio. Well wait a minute... What about you? After all you are driving a Ford Truck and Ford bought the rights to a broadcast in which you had a lifetime subscription. Shouldn't you have access to what you have already paid for? Wouldn't you be just a little upset if the features that worked just fine for you before are being being with held from you now and the only reason you get is that your hardware will no longer accept the broadcasts. Wouldn't you be just somewhat ****** off if you where told that the only way for you to enjoy your xm radio again would be for you to buy a new truck when you just bought this one?

     

    If you understand my example, then you understand how I feel about Apple and their decision not to allow Siri (and some other iOS5 programs) run on some the older idevices like the iPhone 4 and the iPhone 3G/S.

  • 11. Re: Why is it Siri is not available on the iPhone 4?
    deggie Level 8 Level 8 (46,555 points)

    This article proves nothing at all about your made up story. You are very creative though, making up a story and then scouring the internet to find something to back it up. But I see nothing about the "Executive Board" (there is no such thing at Apple), the "Head of Research (ditto, and why would that person be at a meeting discussing revenue), etc.

     

    And the article you present is from an unreliable source, quoting another unreliable source, from a blogger I've never heard of and it has an Editor's note doubting the full veracity of the article. I don't doubt that Apple tested the Siri code they purchased on the earlier iPhones when they bought it as the iPhone 4s was not yet available. I don't doubt they found the quality unacceptable for Apple standards, which is why they purchased the Audience voice recognition/noise suppression chipset for the iPhone 4s and the new iPad (for the iPhone 5 and 5th generation iPod Touch they used different hardware based noise suppression/voice recognition and dropped Audience. Hope you didn't invest in their stock).

     

    So let's see (and you don't have to be a rocket scientist for this) Apple bought Siri, rewrote the code and changed servers and added hardware to improve it (but it is still in beta). The devices with hardware noise suppression/voice recognition have it, those that don't, well don't have it. Same type of argument has taken place many times with Apple products, video on the iPhone 3G being one of them. Nothing new.

     

    As far as your cockeyed Ford/XMSirius radio analogy, if you have a lifetime subscription (with is content) even if Ford bought it they would have to honor your subscription and they would be crazy not to, it is a revenue stream. A more fitting analogy would be if XMSirius and Ford came out with a new hybrid radio that could handle all the channels of XM and Sirius and made a subscription available, at the same price, that included 50 additional channels and you could not get the new 50 channels.

     

    I'm not challenging how you feel, but I challenge you to buy any cell phone today and in two years (probably won't take that long) have the same features as a phone released 2 years later.