9 Replies Latest reply: Oct 16, 2012 1:42 AM by Massimo Grossi
Massimo Grossi Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

Hi, I try to explain my situation and all my troubles with Time Capsules.

Here @ work we have around 20 apple computers all running latest OSX 10.8.2 and I use 3 different 2TB Time Capsule to store and balance users backups.

During last 3 years some user is gone, some new arrived so Time Capsules are still storing unused and unuseful backups.

Moreover we changed computer and users would like to start brand new backup.

Is there a way to manage different users backup? I really need to delete some old Backups.backupdb folder.

If I try to access the time machine from my MBP I just can see of course my folder.

Is there out there some administrative tool to manage what stored in my Time Capsules?

I expected from Apple to have more controls on "Utility AirPort" application, but the only thing I can do on my TC disk in to initialize it... we cannot just initialize a disc every time we need to mange it.

Any solution?

  • 1. Re: Manage multiple users backups
    LaPastenague Level 8 Level 8 (35,380 points)

    The TC is basically a home backup solution.. it is not designed for business situation and the design is too simple for what you want.

     

    You should be running a OSX server and a full backup to a raid array.

     

    Or consider using a non-apple backup tool.. and a standard NAS..

     

    You will want separate user directory for each Mac to backup to.. with proper controls and login.. this is much better done with common login server.

  • 2. Re: Manage multiple users backups
    Massimo Grossi Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    We use a big fileserver to save our data, but not for Time Machine.

    Too many times during OSX upgrades we lost the possibility to link TM with the Nas, so we decided to go for Capsules.

     

    I agree with you, Capsules are designed for home backups, but there must be a way to manage their content without initialize them...

    Any third part sofftwares?

     

    Massimo

  • 3. Re: Manage multiple users backups
    LaPastenague Level 8 Level 8 (35,380 points)

    There are plenty of third party software..

     

    CCC, superduper and chronosync.. being the most often quoted.. I use TM to a non apple NAS and occaionally free superduper to make a disk image.

     

    Apple made the TC very difficult to use as you seem to want to use it.. in that, you cannot properly partition it. You can create disk images.. see

     

    http://pondini.org/TM/Time_Capsule.html

     

    Q3 he goes through setting up disk images.

     

    If you create a disk image for each Mac, then it makes it fairly easy to delete and recreate an image when you need to. Although you are now going to use the space somewhat less efficiently in that disk images will be of fixed size. I think this is not really as big an issue as it might seem as TM handles multiple computers connecting to the TC very poorly.

     

    I am rather more a hands on person.. I would pull the hard disk out of the TC and parition it properly on a Mac.. and put it back in the TC.. this voids the warranty of course. Which is what makes the TC so useless.. it is a sealed device.. there is no other NAS which seals you out of the hard drive to fix, format, replace, repair.

     

    You can hang multiple hard disks onto a TC via USB.. that will work for wireless but is extremely slow for ethernet.. and certainly USB disks are not without issues.. and latest Mac OS has been making a mess of reliable connection to them..

     

    Otherwise a Synology or QNAP NAS.. Setup different user login for each user.. then use TM or one of the alternatives.

  • 4. Re: Manage multiple users backups
    Massimo Grossi Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    When I was referring to third party software, I was thinking about something able to manage data already stored on TC.

    I personally use ChronoSync for my backups, and it really does his job, but I'd want my collegues to continue using TM especially because they have to do nothing to have their "versions" of files.

    TC and TM are good for me even if they are not a "professional" solution, I'd just need to add some more controls on the saved data :(

    Anyway I really have to thank you for the Pondini link :) now I have to try something more.

  • 5. Re: Manage multiple users backups
    LaPastenague Level 8 Level 8 (35,380 points)

    Apple do not even give info on how to control the TC.. due to it not using a standard web page.. the only way in the airport utility.

     

    But if you use latest OS.. ie ML.. then airport utility 6.1 is a toyland version.

     

    You can at least on one computer load 5.6 utility.. it is fairly easy.. the 5.6 will not load onto Mountain Lion but is perfectly compatible.. just use a utility like unpkg to extract the utility.. drag it to the utilities directory.

     

    http://www.timdoug.com/unpkg/

     

    Pondini also talks about using another utility in C12 here.

     

    http://pondini.org/TM/Troubleshooting.html

     

    Pacifist. But unpkg is free and easy simple utility.

  • 6. Re: Manage multiple users backups
    Massimo Grossi Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    I waited to reply to be in office and do some test.

    Ok with Airport Utility 5.6, but what can I do more than disconnect all the users?

    I still cannot manage their folders

    Maybe I missed something on what you are trying to tell me...

  • 7. Re: Manage multiple users backups
    LaPastenague Level 8 Level 8 (35,380 points)

    Go back to your first post.. you can only manage your own folder.. why?

     

    You should have adminstrative access to all the accounts on the TC..

     

    This is easy .. press reset for 1sec.. store the current setup.. do a hard reset.

     

    With full access to the TC you can delete any backup you like.

     

    Then restore the existing setup or simply recreate it..

     

    I would be careful testing to do this.. trial it first.. but I see no reason why you can only access your own folder.. the security setting on the TC is a 1sec reset away from total access.

     

    Delete backups.

     

    http://pondini.org/TM/TCQ5.html

  • 8. Re: Manage multiple users backups
    Massimo Grossi Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    FOUND!

    I was trying to access other backups from the finder, but I was in the wrong section...

    To see what TC contains we have to work from the "Shared" section and not from the "Device" section:

     

     

    Let me fix something, then I have to show you something more...

  • 9. Re: Manage multiple users backups
    Massimo Grossi Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    I configured all my Apple computers in my business network in this way:

     

    1 account "Admin" with administrative access

    1 account "user name" retrived from the Windows Server 2008 AD, with no administrative privileges

     

    Check this:

     

    TC.png

     

    These are all backups stored in one Time Capsule; please focus on iMac saves.

    I configured each Time Machine and launched every backup when I was logged as user, but like you can see all the sparsebundle are made like I was logged as admin.

    It seems TM gives the name of the first user in list... strange isnt'it ?