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  • SantaBarbaraRealtor Level 1 Level 1 (5 points)
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    Oct 15, 2012 5:18 PM (in response to etresoft)

    These are not Google spammers. I updated, so sorry I did, because the phone kept prompting me to. I am in Real Estate, and the update has really impeded my business. Screen shots of street views were important, and yes I can get them through Safari, now that Google added that feature, but it takes a LOT longer, and is not as efficient as it used to be. Believe me, I am not the only Realtor with an iphone and ipad.

    I do hope this can be fixed through software, especially the location part, quickly. I can always use other mapping apps, but the location part has messed me up. I attributed it to PlaceMe, but now that I read these other posts, it was probably the ios6 that did it. I used to rely on it to tell me where I had been each day, so that I could construct an expense sheet.

    How soon do y'all think they will fix the gps part?

  • etresoft Level 7 Level 7 (23,915 points)
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    Oct 15, 2012 5:19 PM (in response to narby)

    narby wrote:

     

    I believe they will have to amass the vast quantities of local RF data that Google acquired while doing it's street view collection. Apple will have to hire some seriously smart people that understand how to correlate RF information from multiple sources with a gigantic database of the 3D universe, and how to write efficient software to do it (I know a few such people, and I'm not one of them).

     

    In short, I don't think they'll pull it off.

    Considering the fact that Apple already has a vast quantity of local RF data that it correlates from multiple sources into a gigantic, efficient database, I'm guessing that you're wrong.

     

    Grab yourself an old, WiFi-only iPad 1. Get a location fix from your hotel's WiFi. Bring up Google maps and set the zoom factor just right so that you can keep the display in cache and see a map of the down. Now go for a drive. Watch the blue dot follow you around town. Just don't zoom in or out, because Google can't handle that.

     

    Now imagine how it would be if you could zoom in or zoom out. Imagine if you could read the labels on the streets. Imagine if you didn't have to look at the map. Imagine if it would just tell you where to turn. Imagine if you could drive to some other nearby town and have it continue working, even if you don't have 3G service. Imagine it on a device with real GPS. Imagine it on a device with LTE. That's the iPhone 5 with iOS 6.

  • Nogueira Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)
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    Oct 15, 2012 5:40 PM (in response to etresoft)

    etresoft wrote:

     

    Now imagine how it would be if you could zoom in or zoom out. Imagine if you could read the labels on the streets. Imagine if you didn't have to look at the map. Imagine if it would just tell you where to turn. Imagine if you could drive to some other nearby town and have it continue working, even if you don't have 3G service. Imagine it on a device with real GPS. Imagine it on a device with LTE. That's the iPhone 5 with iOS 6.

     

    Imagine ... Imagine .... Imagine ... Imagine ... Imagine ... This is "Apple in The Wonderland". Now, wake up and come to the real world.

  • Nogueira Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)
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    Oct 15, 2012 5:42 PM (in response to SantaBarbaraRealtor)

    Probably in iPhone 7s.

  • etresoft Level 7 Level 7 (23,915 points)
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    Oct 15, 2012 7:51 PM (in response to Nogueira)

    Nogueira wrote:

     

    Imagine ... Imagine .... Imagine ... Imagine ... Imagine ... This is "Apple in The Wonderland". Now, wake up and come to the real world.

    Unlike most people posting in this thread, I spent all weekend in "the real world" that I just described. The only part that was exaggerated was that I used an iPhone 4S instead. As hard as you try to rant, you can't change the fact that Apple Maps works very well.

     

    Apple Maps even works when you have a poor or non-existent 3G connection. As much as I talk about using Google Maps to play with maps in a hotel, the truth is that Google Maps requires so much bandwidth and hotels have such poor bandwidth, that is often doesn't work at all. The truth is that Google Maps was never a critical app for the iPhone because the screen is so small. Almost all interaction with a screen that size is zooming in and out - an activity that Apple Maps does much, much better than Google Maps.

  • Nogueira Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)
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    Oct 15, 2012 8:14 PM (in response to etresoft)

    etresoft wrote:

      Apple Maps even works when you have a poor or non-existent 3G connection. As much as I talk about using Google Maps to play with maps in a hotel, the truth is that Google Maps requires so much bandwidth and hotels have such poor bandwidth, that is often doesn't work at all. The truth is that Google Maps was never a critical app for the iPhone because the screen is so small. Almost all interaction with a screen that size is zooming in and out - an activity that Apple Maps does much, much better than Google Maps.

     

    This is not what your general chief said on his "mapology".

     

    And even the "Cult of Mac" says that the problem is much bigger than you think:

     

    http://www.cultofmac.com/193696/apples-maps-problem-could-be-much-bigger-than-yo u-think/

  • KC7GNM Level 4 Level 4 (2,720 points)
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    Oct 15, 2012 8:21 PM (in response to narby)

    narby wrote:

     

    Wow. I found the big thread on this issue now.

     

    If only the new maps did what they were supposed to do.

     

    Multiple times now I've had it reply "no results" (or something to that effect) to map queries, when the reality was that the phone had just dropped internet connection.

     

    Which is one of the other things Apple broke with iOS6, a reasonably reliable internet link.

     

    I waited to upgrade because I had heard of a few map issues. I decided I could make other map apps suffice, and maybe Apple's map wasn't so bad. Just doing wierd 3D projections is understandable, and Google Earth has such glitches anyway.

     

    But my mistake was not researching just how MANY problems iOS6 has. That it virtually makes the phone worthless.

     

    As far as I'm concerned, Apple has stolen a working phone from me, and has the ability (by turning on iOS5 downgrade) to fix it, but refuses to do so for some unknown reason.

     

    Do you realize how enraging that is? Do you?

     

    Every major software release has issues. All of them. And I've lived through it. But iOS6, and Apple's outright refusal to fix it, when the fix is at hand, is a bridge too far.

     

    I'll now start searching for the iOS6 malfunction class action lawsuit. It's going to happen, and I will get my name on the list of victims. Apple stole my working phone, and caused me untold grief.

     

    Apple has a lot of money. The lawyers will arrive.

    Wow really? So apple updates the phone and it does way more than it did before yet the maps app isn't up to your standards so you are going to sue. Good luck in that one because you will only be helping the lawyers get rich because you will lose. Sorry there is nothing wrong with the new maps app and I will be one that will testify for apple that they do work better than the app they had before. We are talking about probably 1% of the operating system and you are saying it is totally broke. You are completly wrong.

  • KC7GNM Level 4 Level 4 (2,720 points)
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    Oct 15, 2012 8:26 PM (in response to etresoft)

    etresoft wrote:

     

    narby wrote:

     

    But my mistake was not researching just how MANY problems iOS6 has. That it virtually makes the phone worthless.

    Very true. It isn't just Maps, but Safari too. And Mali, that no longer works. All my Contacts are empty. The only date my Calendar will show is Dec. 21st, 2012. Angry Birds no longer works. My home screen no longer appears, it just says "C:\" instead. Now I am finding cracks, chips, and even holes in the aluminum. Yes, iOS 6 is causing my brand new iPhone 5 to disintegrate before my very eyes! This is typical Apple!

    That is too funny. LOL

  • gabriel_hc27 Calculating status...
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    Oct 15, 2012 8:32 PM (in response to Shilts9)

    these is all none sense I never used that stupid maps app and ios 6 works pefect on my iphone o god then go and buy an android!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! leave apple alone apple rules!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • etresoft Level 7 Level 7 (23,915 points)
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    Oct 15, 2012 8:35 PM (in response to Nogueira)

    Nogueira wrote:

     

    This is not what your general chief said on his "mapology".

    Apple is trying to be more open and responsive lately, even if that means saying something just to make people feel better or quiet down the media. That was just "for the show". Contrary to what some have alleged in this thread, I don't work for Apple so I don't have to play those political games. I can tell the truth.

     

    And even the "Cult of Mac" says that the problem is much bigger than you think:

    I would not consider "Cult of Mac" a reliable Apple news site. It has a big section of jailbreaking. I suggest AppleInsider or MacRumors. Still, any site is susceptible to the lure of Apple-bashing. Such stories get cited and reposted and that creates revenue for bloggers. Its hard work trying to misinform millions of people so any anti-Apple story gets big support.

  • Nogueira Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)
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    Oct 15, 2012 10:55 PM (in response to etresoft)

    etresoft wrote:

    I would not consider "Cult of Mac" a reliable Apple news site. It has a big section of jailbreaking. I suggest AppleInsider or MacRumors. Still, any site is susceptible to the lure of Apple-bashing. Such stories get cited and reposted and that creates revenue for bloggers. Its hard work trying to misinform millions of people so any anti-Apple story gets big support.

     

     

    Since you are saying that Apple Insider is reliable, please read this:

     

     

    http://appleinsider.com/articles/12/10/09/apple-reportedly-knew-of-ios-maps-trou bles-well-before-launch

     

     

    After reading that, we agree that Apple has not told the truth about maps before its launching. Right?

     

     

    And since you are saying that MacRumors is reliable too, please read this:

     

     

    http://www.macrumors.com/2012/09/20/apples-new-ios-6-maps-app-drawing-significan t-criticism/

  • le.bouch Level 1 Level 1 (5 points)
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    Oct 15, 2012 11:21 PM (in response to KC7GNM)

    "Sorry there is nothing wrong with the new maps app and I will be one that will testify for apple that they do work better than the app they had before"

     

    And I will be the one who points the lawyers to your post that said:

     

    "I never used the old apple maps app because it sucked and was worthless. "

     

    Quite the star witness ;-)

  • le.bouch Level 1 Level 1 (5 points)
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    Oct 15, 2012 11:48 PM (in response to etresoft)

    "No. Apple removed a play app that really wasn't useful for real-world navigation. Google Maps is a neat tool for looking at maps and playing around. Apple Maps is really useful for navigation"

     

    Firstly, I don't think you really believe this, unless you are a copy writer for Apple. Then I suppose you _have_ to believe it..

     

    Secondly, if you do truly believe this, you are _so_ projecting your experience on others. To suggest that Google maps is not useful for real-world navigation cheapens any point you have made before or since.

  • Derek Fernandez Calculating status...
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    Oct 16, 2012 4:17 AM (in response to Shilts9)

    Hi!  Just another update - app developer mymapplus.com have updated their MyMap+ app to version 1.8 to also include Google Maps data.  The difference between this and their StreetViewer app is that MyMap+ does include routing (driving/walking) and many more features (it's quite powerful, but the interface takes a bit of getting used to).  If you are getting lost (as I am!) this app is definitely worth checking out! (see first screenshot below for an example of it's routing).

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    Furthermore, Apple Maps again today led me to an incorrect pin location - see the below screenshots, the second is from MyMap+.  Which brings me to another point - the level of detail of Apple Maps is also a factor when finding locations.  When you're on the ground, you need landmarks and contextual locations to get your bearings.  As seen in these screenshots, Google does provide these via business and park names etc. (where Apple Maps has not in this case, which only increases that 'lost' feeling).  It comes down to data, as many others have said before me.

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    The process of updating their data with accurate and verified locations could be greatly sped up by taking advantage of crowdsourcing, but in order to do so effectively, Apple must open up to it's community, and provide much desired feedback about the current status of their efforts (and indeed, their bigger gameplan).  I've not yet received any response yet from my contact with them - who knows, maybe it's going up the chain!  One can only hope!  In the meantime, I suspect there will be some sort of official announcement on Oct 23 when the iPad mini is released.  Thanks for your time, and to all those who keep us updated! =)

    iPhone 5, iOS 6
  • etresoft Level 7 Level 7 (23,915 points)
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    Oct 16, 2012 6:08 AM (in response to Nogueira)

    Nogueira wrote:

     

    Since you are saying that Apple Insider is reliable

     

    I only suggested Appleinsider as an alternative. As I said, any site is susceptible to republishing reports from elsewhere. Appleinsider is more reliable than most. TUAW is also fairly reliable, but I did not include that site on purpose because of one particularly bad article on the the Maps issue.

     

    After reading that, we agree that Apple has not told the truth about maps before its launching. Right?

     

    Nope. As I said, any site can potentially repost bald-faced lies posted elsewhere. That article is a good example of this. Those reports from "developers" is a complete fabrication. I am a developer and there are no such postings in the developer forums.

     

    And since you are saying that MacRumors is reliable too

     

    Of course you know, I consider this forum to be pretty reliable too. One of the reasons is that this forum, Appleinsider, and Macrumors all allow people to comment and expose blatant misinformation.

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