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  • 2,475. Re: Lion WiFi Connection Problem
    norgard Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    I am in a single family home with 3 or 4 other networks around me - but not too close.  I have gone into my netgear router settings and I do not see anything about 5ghz anywhere.  How do I tell if I have 5 ghz available to me?

  • 2,476. Re: Lion WiFi Connection Problem
    gphonei Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    Which model do you have. It should have Dual Band mentioned somewhere.  In the wireless settings of the router, Netgear usually has two different sets of settings for each band.

  • 2,477. Re: Lion WiFi Connection Problem
    norgard Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    it is a netgear wgr 614 - unfortunately not dual band.  So, maybe I need a new router or I just leave the ethernet plugged in? 

    I know that you have said that this is not a simple issue, and probably does not have a simple solution, but I just can't get by the fact that my wife's cheap %ss Toshiba Satelite, which is two floors above the wireless router, dosn't seem to have any problems at all when she is online, yet my iMac which is located on the first floor directly over the router in the basement (probably 5 feet away) can't seem to stay connected?

    I guess I just don't know enough about computers and networks to understand, but can all these issues really be just coincedental to Apple's "upgrades"?  They really aren't connected at all?

  • 2,478. Re: Lion WiFi Connection Problem
    gphonei Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    norgard wrote:

     

    it is a netgear wgr 614 - unfortunately not dual band.  So, maybe I need a new router or I just leave the ethernet plugged in? 

    I know that you have said that this is not a simple issue, and probably does not have a simple solution, but I just can't get by the fact that my wife's cheap %ss Toshiba Satelite, which is two floors above the wireless router, dosn't seem to have any problems at all when she is online, yet my iMac which is located on the first floor directly over the router in the basement (probably 5 feet away) can't seem to stay connected?

    I guess I just don't know enough about computers and networks to understand, but can all these issues really be just coincedental to Apple's "upgrades"?  They really aren't connected at all?

    What I don't want you to think, is that there is not a problem that Apple needs to address.  I don't know that, because I really don't know exactly what is affecting everyone, and I don't have access to everything involved to do any sort of detailed analysis that would spill the details out where there would be definative proof.

     

    I'm trying, by staying here and trying to followup to all those frustrated by their networking problems, to help in some way, because I understand the complicated nature of things, and I don't want people to be burdened by a problem which they can cure themselves.

     

    Looking on the web with google, I found the following page, which details someone elses problems with their 614.  Have you updated the firmware to the most recent version?  If you haven't, you might do that, and you might look at setting it to 802.11b only.  Each time that there has been a new version of "WiFi" standards, there have been some routers that I've had, or friend have had, which just never seem to work quite right for some computers/devices.  I can't tell you what to do, but if you have friends of family that have a fairly new router, you might see if you can borrow one to try at your house. 

     

    http://forums.cnet.com/7723-7589_102-240115/connectivity-issues-with-netgear-wgr 614/

     

    Many places selling routers, will actually take them back with full refund if you just tell them what you experienced.  So, trying a new router to see if it fixes your problems, might not be a big risk.  The expense would be there for sure, but perhaps that's what is required. If you have a BestBuy or some such near you, you might be able to try something as a replacement just to see if it eliminates the problem.

     

    I don't often replace routers, but I've bought lots of different kinds of routers for friends and family over the years and installed/setup those devices for them, so that they could have a wireless network.  People with iPhones/iPads, android phones, laptops, new desktop computers, but without a way to get a wire to their computer etc.  So, I've had to deal with various issues with those routers.  My experience has led me to buy Netgear routers in general (I use the ubnt.com equipment for higher power or larger space needs). 

     

    However, the WGR614, has had many versions (9 or more it seems).   That indicates to me, that as a low cost, low end consumer router, they keep putting in hardware that they have to replace because of Manufacture Discontinued parts or some such quantity limitations.  So, practically, I feel that the volatility in that product line (new firmware for new hardware types), could lead to odd behavior under certain circumstances.  Some of the issues I see on Google seem to indicate various people are experiencing odd behaviors with some devices and not others.  Your odd experience is with a Mac, and this string of posts here, might make you feel that you have "The Apple WiFi problem".  I don't know for sure, but the other information I see makes be feel like maybe the router has some behavior issues where replacing it with something else could fix your issues.

     

    Of course, the wire is working, so don't waste money on something more, which you don't actually need.  Buy a new router, if you want the higher speed of 802.11n on 5ghz, or if you want to do wireless on the Mac and that seems to be the only solution.  But of course, first, check for new firmware for what you have.

  • 2,479. Re: Lion WiFi Connection Problem
    norgard Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    gphonie wrote

         What I don't want you to think, is that there is not a problem that Apple needs to address.  I don't know that,      because I really don't know exactly what is affecting everyone, and I don't have access to everything involved      to do any sort of detailed analysis that would spill the details out where there would be definative proof.

     

     

    First of all, I want to thank you for your help.  I have witnessed some of the effort you have put forth in this and other forums trying to help us all - for that I am grateful. 

     

    I know that my router is “out of date”.  So is my car, my cell phone and most of my clothing :-)  If I were convinced that buying a new router would solve my problem I would probably not hesitate to do so; however, my concern is that if a new router does not solve my problem, and then I still have the problem, but my wallet is lighter.

     

    My wife’s Toshiba quit working a while back.  It would not boot up, and all you could get was a screen with an error message.  We took it back to the "experts" at the Geek Squad and were told that it was a bad hard drive and would cost about $200 to fix.  We decided that since we had only spent $300 on it when new, that spending $200 now was not a good investment, so we bought another $300 laptop.   I got to poking around with her old one and did some research on line, and found a Toshiba rescue CD for $29.00.  My curiosity got the better of me, so I bought it just to see if I could confirm the experts diagnosis of a bad hard drive.  To make a long story short, the rescue CD revived her old Toshiba, and now we have a $300 HP laptop that sits in the drawer.

     

    So, you can understand my reluctance to plop down $100 or so for a new router only to find out that it does not fix my problem. 

     

    Question - is wireless faster than wired?

  • 2,480. Re: Lion WiFi Connection Problem
    gphonei Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    norgard wrote:

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    I know that my router is “out of date”.  So is my car, my cell phone and most of my clothing :-)  If I were convinced that buying a new router would solve my problem I would probably not hesitate to do so; however, my concern is that if a new router does not solve my problem, and then I still have the problem, but my wallet is lighter.

    I did try to make this point too.  If you don't need the flexibilty of wireless at this point, then don't go spend the money.   I am just trying to suggest that it might be the router.  Buying one, trying it, and returning it, if it doesn't fix the problem (tell BestBuy that it doesn't work with your computer if it doesn't fix the problem, you'd be telling them the truth).

    So, you can understand my reluctance to plop down $100 or so for a new router only to find out that it does not fix my problem. 

     

    Question - is wireless faster than wired?

    It depends on what your "wired" network standard is.  802.11b is 11Mbps, 802.11g is 54Mbps, 802.11n can reach over 100Mbps.   Wired networking on old equipment will be 100Mbps, so you'll see close to the same performance on wired vs wireless on 802.11n.  Some commercial wireless equipment using 5.8ghz band (http://ubnt.com for example) claims (and I've seen it) 150Mbps sustained using their custome "AirMax" protocol support.  Thus, you'd have to move to wired 1Gbps or better for wired to be faster than wireless there.

     

    If you open "speedtest.net" on your various computers in the house and run a test, do you see variations on speed which might explain any other "lag" you or your wife have experienced?

  • 2,481. Re: Lion WiFi Connection Problem
    norgard Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    I did the speed test and my wired and wirelsss were almost exactly the same

    download 20.22 mbps wireless, 20.17 ethernet

    upload 1.4 mbps wireless, 1.41 ethernet

     

    My download speed was higher than what they claim is the average of 12.19 mbps, but my upload speed was way below the 4.64 average upload speed.

     

    Any thoughts?

  • 2,482. Re: Lion WiFi Connection Problem
    gphonei Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    norgard wrote:

     

    I did the speed test and my wired and wirelsss were almost exactly the same

    download 20.22 mbps wireless, 20.17 ethernet

    upload 1.4 mbps wireless, 1.41 ethernet

     

    My download speed was higher than what they claim is the average of 12.19 mbps, but my upload speed was way below the 4.64 average upload speed.

     

    Any thoughts?

    The consistancy of the speeds suggests that the ISPs network speed is still the controlling limit on your maximum bandwidth.  That's where most people are at with consumer ISP services.  Is your ISP service DSL or Cable?  The download speed does seem high.  You could try some different, non-local servers, to see if there is some kind of caching happening.  The slow upload is a mystery for me.  If you have DSL, it could just be a line quality issue.   If caching is happening on the download, but would not happen on the upload, then I'd expect that line quality or distance to the "switch" might be affecting your available speed.

  • 2,483. Re: Lion WiFi Connection Problem
    norgard Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    gphonei wrote

     

         The consistancy of the speeds suggests that the ISPs network speed is still the controlling limit on      your maximum bandwidth.  That's where most people are at with consumer ISP services.  Is your ISP      service DSL or Cable?  The download speed does seem high.  You could try some different, non-local      servers, to see if there is some kind of caching happening.  The slow upload is a mystery for me.  If      you have DSL, it could just be a line quality issue.   If caching is happening on the download, but      would not happen on the upload, then I'd expect that line quality or distance to the "switch" might be      affecting your available speed.    

     

    we are on insight cable

    I just went upstairs and did the speed test on my wife's toshiba

    5.85 mbps download

    1.41 upload

     

    hmmmmm?

  • 2,484. Re: Lion WiFi Connection Problem
    gphonei Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    norgard wrote:

     

    gphonei wrote

     

         The consistancy of the speeds suggests that the ISPs network speed is still the controlling limit on      your maximum bandwidth.  That's where most people are at with consumer ISP services.  Is your ISP      service DSL or Cable?  The download speed does seem high.  You could try some different, non-local      servers, to see if there is some kind of caching happening.  The slow upload is a mystery for me.  If      you have DSL, it could just be a line quality issue.   If caching is happening on the download, but      would not happen on the upload, then I'd expect that line quality or distance to the "switch" might be      affecting your available speed.    

     

    we are on insight cable

    I just went upstairs and did the speed test on my wife's toshiba

    5.85 mbps download

    1.41 upload

     

    hmmmmm?

    Okay, so the 20.xx download doesn't seem too extreme.  That can happen with some bursty traffic, because cable bandwidth is managed with packet flow control, not outright media limitations like DSL does.

     

    Your wife's toshiba is on the wireless network isn't it?  That speed would be what I would expect for 802.11b kinds of wireless networking as an average.  802.11g should be closer to 15mbps at peak and perhaps 10-11mbps for the average, because of interference on 2.4ghz from other radios on the same network.  If you try it on your wifes computer a few times, does it ever peak at more that that?

     

    You might put her computer on wired network and see what happens there.

  • 2,485. Re: Lion WiFi Connection Problem
    tomfromhornchurch Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    This has been driving me mad for weeks!! I tried all the solutions posted on the web, and have never had any luck for more than a couple of hours each time.

    Last thing I did was to try different channels on my router, and so far channel 13 seems to do the trick. Stable caonnection for the last 24 hours, without drop.

    Just for info, my wireless security is set on WPA2 only.

    Hope this help!

  • 2,486. Re: Lion WiFi Connection Problem
    norgard Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    My download speed seems to stay pretty stable at around 20, and my upload is consistent at 1.4

    My wife's Toshiba does vary a bit on download speed, fluctuating betwwen about 5 and 8, but her upload is also consistent at 1.4.  Neither my iMac or her Toshiba change much when wired, or wireless.

  • 2,487. Re: Lion WiFi Connection Problem
    gphonei Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    norgard wrote:

     

    My download speed seems to stay pretty stable at around 20, and my upload is consistent at 1.4

    My wife's Toshiba does vary a bit on download speed, fluctuating betwwen about 5 and 8, but her upload is also consistent at 1.4.  Neither my iMac or her Toshiba change much when wired, or wireless.

    Okay, can you try to do both at the same time to see if her Toshiba is using 802.11b, and the Mac 802.11g and that is the difference you see.  Doing them at the same time should pull the Mac down to 802.11b. 

     

    If that doesn't show similar numbers for both machines, then it seems like there could just be a bus/performance difference for the Toshiba that makes it perform slower.  I wouldn't think it would be that dramatic, but perhaps it could be.  Those speed tests shouldn't involve disk access, paging etc.  So, I'd think that there might be a small difference for a slower processor, or bus speed, but not that big of a drop.  I can only guess that it would be 802.11b vs 802.11g speeds.   Does the "sits in the drawer" machine behave any better than the Toshiba?

  • 2,488. Re: Lion WiFi Connection Problem
    juato4 Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    mmm... i was desactivated the firewall and it seems to fix the problem... can anybody do the same to confirm?.

  • 2,489. Re: Lion WiFi Connection Problem
    mymatelee Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    OSX Lion

     

    In Lion I've changed my Hardware to a custom MTU of 1453, Created a new network location.

     

    Now everything works, even boots up connected to the network.

     

    http://osxdaily.com/2012/08/02/fix-os-x-mountain-lion-wireless-connection-proble ms/

     

    Windows 7

     

    In bootcamp Windows 7 change your MTU to 1453 - (run as administrator in command prompt)

     

    netsh interface ipv4 set subinterface "Local Area Connection" mtu=1453 store=persistent

     

    Still problems switching networks i.e. LAN to 3G so to be on the safe side run these commands.

     

    so in command prompt:-

     

    ipconfig /flushdns

    ipconfig /release

    ipconfig /renew

     

    I'd like to know if that fixes anybody elese problems or is it just a fluke?