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  • 1,815. Re: Apple maps very disappointing
    JBDelivery Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    Like Derek, I was disappointed to see not one mention of the fiasco that is iOS6 and Crapple Maps in the keynote.

    Wouldn't have hurt for Captain Cook to state if has any original thought about how to fix the issue.

    Perhaps there's the clue - no original thought emanating from that vacuum...

     

    Anyway an update to say that all our 22 iPads have now been replaced with shiny new Android devices, the same goes for the 11 assorted iMacs and MacBooks. The only bits of Apple kit still in use for our business are the Airport WiFi units - we still like those.

    Our Android solution

     

    My Christmas present situation has been solved - at least for family - as we've erased all the iPads Macbooks and iMacs..

    I now have a dedicated iMac just for iTunes and a MacBook in every guest room, along with 4 iPads dotted around the house for the kids to play with etc.. Apple stuff is now just a toy, and not suitable for use as a serious business tool.

     

    The rest we'll give away at Christmas to friends/relatives, and just under half will go to a local school for those kids whose parents can't afford their kids to have their own PC's.

  • 1,816. Re: Apple maps very disappointing
    William Kucharski Level 6 Level 6 (14,705 points)

    Anyway an update to say that all our 22 iPads have now been replaced with shiny new Android devices, the same goes for the 11 assorted iMacs and MacBooks. The only bits of Apple kit still in use for our business are the Airport WiFi units - we still like those.

    Our Android solution

     

    Pity your employees will have to live with Android devices, though.

     

    Now you know why most companies test new changes or devices before rolling them out company-wide.

  • 1,817. Re: Apple maps very disappointing
    pedramolar Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    Please tell us: What Android device did you choose?

  • 1,818. Re: Apple maps very disappointing
    Derek Fernandez Level 1 Level 1 (5 points)

    Hi JBDelivery!  Thanks for the update - glad to hear that you've got your business back on track and have found the solution with Android devices.  I've have followed your problem since your detailed page 53 summary, and I find Apple's response to a genuine and loyal business customer shocking to be honest.  I agree with your logic in switching hardware (you now have more control over the software installed on the devices needed to run your business).  All the best!

     

    William Kucharski - yes, software testing is important prior to rolling out.  But in JBDelivery's case the issue is more complex (if you look at it objectively).  Yes, he may have still been able to use the Apple devices on ios5 had he not upgraded immediately, but it seems Apple is phasing out Google maps anyway (not sure what will happen once their year license for Google Maps runs out for all ios5 users… will ios5 also get Apple Maps?)  In any case these questions have still not officially been answered by Apple.  I see from your profile that you have an iPad (3rd gen) still on ios5.1.1 so this question may be relevant to you (not stalking mind you!  I remember you mentioning it a while back).  In any case, with such uncertainty and Apple's clear vendetta against Google, and the poor quality of their own mapping service in many ways JBDelivery's switch in hardware was inevitable, and best made sooner rather than later to reduce further costs to his business. 

     

    Yes, there's speculation of a Google Maps App to be released to iOS, but without further information we are really at the mercy of both Apple and Google while they fight - can they come to some sort of agreement to allow that app to have integration (contacts, clicked links etc)?  Who knows, but judging from the lack of official information, I am beginning to doubt it.  Pain.

     

    (short disclaimer - this post refers to areas of the world where Apple Maps yields incorrect pin locations, poor search results, and lower levels of map/business detail compared to Google Maps which the ios5 Maps App was based on - I know many of you are not having these problems, but for some (myself included) these location specific problems are very real.)

  • 1,819. Re: Apple maps very disappointing
    Nogueira Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    Derek,

     

    You're the most reasonable person in this forum. Congratulations for your comments.

     

    I'd just like to add that it seems that the Apple main concern is to fight against Google and Sansung. With all this fighting, who is really loosing are we users.

     

    And if Apple really wants to fight, why does not it banishes Google from Apple operate system and AppStore. I'd like to see if Apple has the courage to not allow access to Gmail or Google search engine.

     

    It is strange to see that the applications Google Maps and YouTube were banned from IOS6, but you can download Google apps in the AppStore, such as Google Search, Google+, Google Translate, Google Chorme, Google Earth, Google Drive, Gmail, Google+ Location, Google Latitude, Google Currents and YouTube.

     

    Imagine what would be the operating system of Apple without these applications.

     

    In my opinion, Apple needs Google more than Google needs Apple.

     

    Best regards

  • 1,820. Re: Apple maps very disappointing
    TwinMoons Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    Totally agree with Nogueira on this one. The move to Apple Maps was not done from a customer-centric standpoint but from a purely business and control standpoint, and was done completely prematurely. This sort of thing is really unacceptable. A company's first priority must be improvements for the customer. They must then figure out how to make that profitable for the company.

     

    They got rid of a solid platform (Google Maps) which offered street view, something I loved using, and replaced it with an early beta mapping app. Not only did we lose street view, we also lost transit directions, and all we got in return was turn-by-turn directions. Sadly the turn by turn directions don't even have any options to avoid toll roads, etc. They are the most barebones turn by turn directions anywhere. I don't even bother with the maps app anymore. I'm mainly using Waze for navigation (and sometimes Mapquest) and the google maps web-based app for maps (thankfully it has street view again).

     

    As for the 3D flyover feature - this to me is really nothing but a gimmick. I have yet to find any use for it, and its coverage is so limited that it's pretty much a joke.

  • 1,821. Re: Apple maps very disappointing
    William Kucharski Level 6 Level 6 (14,705 points)

    Derek Fernandez wrote:

     

    (short disclaimer - this post refers to areas of the world where Apple Maps yields incorrect pin locations, poor search results, and lower levels of map/business detail compared to Google Maps which the ios5 Maps App was based on - I know many of you are not having these problems, but for some (myself included) these location specific problems are very real.)

     

    I appreciate that - it's a very reasoned disclaimer that I agree with wholeheartedly.

     

    Also, a reminder that visiting maps.google.com in Safari provides functionality almost equivalent to what the old Maps app had and is improving daily.

  • 1,822. Re: Apple maps very disappointing
    pedramolar Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    Do you realize that Google made more money from iOS than Android?

     

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/2012/mar/29/google-earns-more-iphone-androi d

  • 1,823. Re: Apple maps very disappointing
    Nogueira Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    pedramolar wrote:

     

    Do you realize that Google made more money from iOS than Android?

     

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/2012/mar/29/google-earns-more-iphone-androi d

     

     

    So why Apple does not banishes Google forever and stays alone in the world?

  • 1,824. Re: Apple maps very disappointing
    Nogueira Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    pedramolar wrote:

     

    Do you realize that Google made more money from iOS than Android?

     

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/2012/mar/29/google-earns-more-iphone-androi d

     

     

    By the way, Apple could also banish Facebook, Twitter, and so on ... and on ...

  • 1,825. Re: Apple maps very disappointing
    pedramolar Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    Nogueira:

     

    I was responding to the statement that Apple needed Google more than Google needed Apple.  That is just ridiculous.  The reporting on this story suggests that Apple couldn't stay with Google and have turn-by-turn directions.  Considering the revenue Google made from iOS, they should have been more willing to work with Apple instead of assuming it was in a position of strength.  There is a reason Google has been quiet about Apple's changes.  This issue is as much about Google's hubris as it is Apple's.

  • 1,826. Re: Apple maps very disappointing
    lkrupp Level 4 Level 4 (3,135 points)

    pedramolar wrote:

     

    Nogueira:

     

    I was responding to the statement that Apple needed Google more than Google needed Apple.  That is just ridiculous.  The reporting on this story suggests that Apple couldn't stay with Google and have turn-by-turn directions.  Considering the revenue Google made from iOS, they should have been more willing to work with Apple instead of assuming it was in a position of strength.  There is a reason Google has been quiet about Apple's changes.  This issue is as much about Google's hubris as it is Apple's.

     

    Which is why the outraged posters here need to get used to the idea that a Google Maps app is not in the cards anytime soon while the Apple Maps app will continue to improve exponentially over time. It's about sticking it to Google over Android. Google needs Apple a LOT more than Apple needs Google income and profit-wise. I'm betting that Tim Cook and Larry Page are talking to each other a lot these days.

  • 1,827. Re: Apple maps very disappointing
    Nogueira Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    lkrupp wrote:

     

    I'm betting that Tim Cook and Larry Page are talking to each other a lot these days.

     

     

    Considering that will be almost impossible for the Apple Maps get close of the quality of Google Maps, which will always be seven years ahead,

     

    considering that after "Mapology", Apple remains silent,

     

    considering that the main aim of both companies is just get money,

     

    I would not be surprised that all of a sudden Apple and Google anounce that they are back together again, forever and ever.

     

                             You may say

                             I'm a dreamer, but I'm not the only one

                             I hope some day you'll join us

                             And the world will be as one

                                                 - John Lennon

  • 1,828. Re: Apple maps very disappointing
    Derek Fernandez Level 1 Level 1 (5 points)

    Thanks Nogueira!  Much appreciated!  I was thinking about the example you raise with search, mail, calendar etc. the other day.  My old iphone3G used to read 'Google' in the search field within Safari, now in ios6 on iphone5 it just reads 'Search'.  (not sure what version of iOS that happened).  I also read previously that Siri was a strategy introduced by Apple to bypass Google search (and as a result, reduce it's pagerank effectiveness/relevance).  Is it just a matter of time before Apple also phases out other services, as you point out, such as Gmail? (hopefully not, as I'm on Gmail!)  I lolled at your Lennon quote =)

     

    Thanks William Kucharski!  I appreciate the reminder! Also, for a slightly better user experience, I can recommend the MyMap+ app for a buck - it has a switch to enable both Apple and Google map data (it also caches map tiles while switching apps, which the Safari web app does not).  The interface is a little clunky (takes some getting used to), but it's all about the caching for me!

  • 1,829. Re: Apple maps very disappointing
    Chris CA Level 9 Level 9 (74,895 points)

    Nogueira wrote:

    considering that after "Mapology", Apple remains silent,

    Tim Cook stated, "we are doing everything we can to make Maps better."

    If Apple posted this every day, would that make you feel better?