Currently Being ModeratedOct 30, 2012 5:19 PM (in response to mrbarth)
Not certain, but this can fix myriad Mail problems...
Safe Boot from the HD, (holding Shift key down at bootup), it will try to repair your Disk Directory while the spinning radian is happening, so let it go, run Disk Utility in Applications>Utilities, then highlight your drive, click on Repair Permissions, then move this folder & file to the Desktop.
Move this Folder to the Desktop...
Move this file to the Desktop...
If that doesn't do it and you can afford to redo all your Rules, try these & reboot...
Note, in 10.5 & up /Users/YourUserName/Library/Caches/Mail/ may or may not exist.
If it continues to happen...
Open Console in Utilities & see if there are any clues or repeating messages when this happens.
Currently Being ModeratedOct 31, 2012 5:30 AM (in response to mrbarth)
Can you confirm that you are using OS X 10.5.6 as your post says?
What version of Mail are you using?
Do you use POP or IMAP?
Do you regularly backup to an external disk? If not you should be aware that hard disks can fail at any time without warning and probably with the loss of all data. A backup now of you home folder and any other data would be good.
One problem is that forced quits can occasionally do damage so your repeated forced quits may require more drastic action if BDAqua's advice fails to resolve your Mail issues.
You could consider using SeaMonkey as your email client until your Mail issues are resolved.
Currently Being ModeratedNov 1, 2012 1:12 AM (in response to Neville Hillyer)
Hi Neville. Yes, I am using 10.5.6 and mail is 3.6. Though it says verson through 2009, I am assuming that when I run my apple updates that mail is being updated as well so I should have the latest version (for Leopard). I am using both POP and IMAP (and what ever mail."myowndomain".ca would be.
Things have been running smooth for years, now suddenly it is all screwy. I was using Camino brower for a few years, then it went weird, back to safari for a time but it can't handle flash without crashing, even the little flash things on a site. I uninstalled flash completely and reinstalled the current versoin. Still crashes on things like Huffington and youtube. tried Chrome which I loved, but suddenly it won't work with leopard and they no longer offer support for 10.5. Not sure if the browser problems are linked with the MAIL or not.
Haven't had time to try the first solution from BD Aqua yet. Hope to have time tomorrow.
I just don't want to lose any of my stored email.
Speaking of storage, you also asked about back up on external. I do not back up at all other than burning very important things to ROM. Things I access all the time are either stored on my HD or on external hard drive, but those are mainly comprised of current or recently completed projects so if things are lost on the external HD, I am not totally lost.
Currently Being ModeratedNov 1, 2012 9:56 AM (in response to mrbarth)
Repair Permissions afterwords, reboot.
1058 Combo Update, 10.5.8...
Currently Being ModeratedNov 1, 2012 3:45 PM (in response to mrbarth)
It is not clear to me why Software Update has not updated your Mac to 10.5.8. This needs sorting out.
I know some people use both POP and IMAP with the same email client but my experience is that this can cause some clients to get confused, particularly if you switch an account from IMAP to POP. A while ago I tested this with Thunderbird and ended up with a preference file much bigger than it should have been. Clients do not know how to remove redundant preferences and they remain in the file indefinitely. In my opinion it is better to use one or the other but not both.
You should be able to import all historic emails into another client without altering Mail. The only disadvantage is that 2 copies of all emails will take more disk space.
If I were in your position I would be tempted to backup the whole internal disk to an external disk with Carbon Copy Cloner, erase the internal disk and reinstall the OS.
Currently Being ModeratedNov 3, 2012 2:37 AM (in response to mrbarth)
Well thank you everyone for trying to give some solutions. I have tried every one of them and not one of them has worked to fix the main problem. The strange appearance of old emails has stopped but it still will not shut down when I click on QUIT MAIL in the drop down menu or from the dock with a click and quit from there. I have all POP accounts (the same ones I have always had), I updated my OS, rebuilt the mailboxes (that was scary at first because everything was gone and now it is back), did the repair disk and permissons and did the safe mode stuff.
thanks for trying though.
Currently Being ModeratedNov 9, 2012 3:18 PM (in response to mrbarth)
Well, I never got around to doing an erase of the disk. I have no idea what happened, but suddenly today it all went back to normal, I can close out mail from the top task bar, all junk mail is staying in its folder. no more mystery 3 year old emails popping up. It is like nothing happened. However something had to fix itself along the way,, but not sure which of the solution I tried that you all suggested actually worked. Thanks all.