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  • matthew104 Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)
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    Nov 11, 2012 11:06 AM (in response to morph21)

    Morp21

    I get the same problems, but it isn't just blues, reds and blacks started doing the same thing, also Aperture started making thingsin the picture lighter.

    As you said, you see the picture/file and after processes it, it changes.

    I am perplexed also.

  • Ernie Stamper Level 8 Level 8 (37,415 points)
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    Nov 11, 2012 11:10 AM (in response to matthew104)

    What camera, please?

     

    Ernie

  • matthew104 Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)
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    Nov 11, 2012 11:27 AM (in response to Ernie Stamper)

    Canon 5D, files are RAW+JPEG

  • Ernie Stamper Level 8 Level 8 (37,415 points)
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    Nov 11, 2012 11:29 AM (in response to matthew104)

    Are you seeing anything similar with your JPEG Originals?  You should not if the behavior is what has been discussed here.

     

    Ernie

  • Ernie Stamper Level 8 Level 8 (37,415 points)
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    Nov 13, 2012 10:00 AM (in response to morph21)

    Hi,

     

    I happened upon a boot volume for 10.5.8 and Aperture 2.1.4, and booted up in it.  Imported your CR2, and found it to be different in the RAW decoding.  Here is an exported JPEG from A2.1.4 along with the Preview from A3.4.2 again:

     

    Canon RAW in A2  002.jpgRaw Treatment Problem.jpg

    I will email it to you, as well.  I think it is more like some of your later examples.  It so, you might want to use the two different decodings for communication with Apple.

     

    One thing I noticed while in A2.1.4, and I think earlier with current Aperture, is that changing saturation has extreme impact on the blues, but not on much else?  Same for the Vibrancy slider.  These deep blues are something I would love to see photographed with another camera, say a late model Nikon to get the most distance from your camera.

     

    Ernie

  • jarrodhayes Calculating status...
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    Nov 18, 2012 6:23 AM (in response to morph21)

    Thanks to Ernie for pointing this thread out to me.  I'm having the same problem with photos taken with my Canon 30D.  I've included two unprocessed photos (other than importing...I have not altered the stock RAW fine tuning settings).  The first is from Aperture (3.4.3 running on OSX Mountain Lion) the second is from Lightroom.  As you can see, the magenta in the foreground structure is way oversaturated, and the blues in the background structures are not much better off.

    Supertrees Aperture.jpg

     

    Supertrees Lightroom.jpg

  • Ernie Stamper Level 8 Level 8 (37,415 points)
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    Nov 18, 2012 10:37 AM (in response to jarrodhayes)

    While I have not seen your images in a form that can be closely inspected, it appears that what I found in morph21's images may be true for yours.  That is, only the strong colors are significantly different in saturation.  What we more typically see in a comparison of camera Preview and Aperture generated Preview is that every color and shade is noticabily different, even it not much so.

     

    Also, with morph21's image, the Saturation slider hardly effects other shades, and for the strong colors does some odd things.

     

    Ernie

  • jarrodhayes Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)
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    Nov 18, 2012 6:52 PM (in response to Ernie Stamper)

    On the saturation slider, in my case it appears to be acting normally, enhancing the saturation of all colors and not doing anything particularly odd with the strong colors.

  • Ernie Stamper Level 8 Level 8 (37,415 points)
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    Nov 19, 2012 12:08 PM (in response to jarrodhayes)

    I was observing results from using the slider to lower saturation.

     

    Ernie

  • kavaldjiev Calculating status...
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    Nov 26, 2012 10:35 PM (in response to morph21)

    I just had an identical maddening experience with Aperture and NEFs from Nikon D90.  Can't say for sure when the color re-processing changed, but I updated Aperture a week or so ago.

     

    Has anyone found possible way to negate the changes (short of reinstalling old Aprerture version, but I don't even know how to do that)?  I could not find anything on the web more specific than this discussion.

     

    I just can't believe Apple will pull something like this when Aperture is supposed to be used by professional photographers that care about color consistency.

     

    Dan

  • Bytor the Snowdog Calculating status...
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    Nov 27, 2012 1:49 PM (in response to morph21)

    Same thing for me!  Over saturation and color shift...I prefer the un-Raw-processed version!  This has been buggin me for awhile now. 

     

    Canon 5K MKIII. 

     

    Would love a fix that excludes the extra workaround of Canon's DPP back to Aperture. 

  • kavaldjiev Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)
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    Nov 27, 2012 11:34 PM (in response to Bytor the Snowdog)

    The (obvious) problem is that going raw => jpg => Aperture mostly negates the reason for using Aperture.

     

    I spent some time last night to match Aperture's color curves to the "master" raw as displayed by Nikon's own raw viewer/editor ViewNX2 (equivalent to Canon's DPP). The intensity mapping is non-linear and different for each of primary colors. Red and blue seemed more impacted than green, and it seems to depend also on the overall color balance. But all that might be just an artifact of the non-linearity itself -- I had patience for only 3 images as I was getting progressively flabbergasted. In any case, I could not derive simple rule how to match the color balance with set of Aperture adjustments.

     

    This is totally ridiculous. What shocks me is that I have not heard an outcry about this from the photography community. Either there is some non-obvous trick to get the correct colors, or no professional photographer is using the new Aperture version.  

     

    I guess it's time to try Lightroom...

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