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  • Roger Wilmut1 Level 9 Level 9 (64,005 points)
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    Nov 13, 2012 2:56 PM (in response to GeneMike)

    GeneMike wrote:

     

    Earlier in this thread, there was a link to a "7 page discussion on migrating from AW."  The link was broken and I can't find it.

    Do you mean my article? - http://rfwilmut.net/aw

     

    Pages will open AW6 WP files but if you want to automate the process you will either need to set something up in AppleScript or Automator (I don't know whether this is possible) or use a third-party macro problem such as QuicKeys (which isn't cheap and furthermore has some issues Lion - it still hasn't been updated).

  • GeneMike Level 1 Level 1 (5 points)
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    Nov 13, 2012 6:11 PM (in response to Roger Wilmut1)

    I don't really know if the link led to your article but it sure rings my bell!  THANKS!

     

    In my family office, I am finally moving out four Macs (2 desktops and 2 laptops) all running OS 10.4.11.  I just purchased two new Mac Book Pros with Mountain Lion and am planning the migration.  I literally have over 1,000 files that started out in some version of MS Works, Claris Works, or AppleWorks.  Over the past two days, I have been using the old standby, MacLinkPlus v.16 (the last) to get everything in either .rtf or AW6.  However, I am now worried that some future version of Pages or Numbers may not open AW6 and MacLinkPlus would have been left behind.

     

    So, maybe while MacLinkPlus is still available to make macro conversions, I should just convert all of them into .rtf ???

     

    P.S. I can't find the button to give points, etc.  For that, did I need to start a new discussion/question?

  • DJTEMPO Calculating status...
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    Nov 13, 2012 7:04 PM (in response to don gmt)

    I have been an avid Mac advocate since I got my first Mac Plus back in (what was it) 85 or 86?

     

    I am currently operating 3 dated Apple machines, a MacPro, a white MacBook, and a 2 year old MacBook Pro.

     

    I've decided that I'll be going with a Windoze based machine when I get to the point that I am not able to perform necessary functions with my OS 10.6.8 based machines.

     

    I don't see the point in supporting a company that charges 2 to 3 times more money for their hardware if they're not going to support their software users, especially through a program that has been around for some 20 years.  This is UNBELIEVABLY BAD user support on the part of Apple.  Particularly when you look at the fact that most of us using Apple/Clarisworks have been riding this train for most of the time that the Mac has been in existance.

     

    I'm hoping, praying, that some smart individual will come up with either a new program that will open existing Clarisworks docs, or at least have a conversion program to allow them to be opened in... I don't know what other program to suggest that as easy to use.

     

    Just becuase it's old doesn't mean it's bad.

  • DJTEMPO Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)
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    Nov 13, 2012 7:06 PM (in response to Roger Wilmut1)

    Save me the trouble of reading through this whole thread... is there a "drawing" program that will open AW drawing files, and is as easy to use as the Appleworks drawing app was?

  • MlchaelLAX Level 4 Level 4 (1,550 points)
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    Nov 13, 2012 10:39 PM (in response to DJTEMPO)

    DJTEMPO wrote:

     

    Save me the trouble of reading through this whole thread... is there a "drawing" program that will open AW drawing files, and is as easy to use as the Appleworks drawing app was?

    I believe that the answer to your question is "No" so consider this earlier suggestion of mine for you to continue to run Appleworks:

     

    https://discussions.apple.com/message/19761043#19761043

  • Roger Wilmut1 Level 9 Level 9 (64,005 points)
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    Nov 13, 2012 11:24 PM (in response to DJTEMPO)

    DJTEMPO wrote:

     

    Save me the trouble of reading through this whole thread... is there a "drawing" program that will open AW drawing files, and is as easy to use as the Appleworks drawing app was?

    Yes, there is such a program, though it's not cheap. The only programs which can do this are EazyDraw (right) and Intaglio (though when I tested the demo it wouldn't open complex drawings such as the one below). If you are dealing with complex technical drawings EazyDraw is probably the best choice: it's about the same cost as the whole of iWork (when downloaded, and rather more expensive on a CD), but cheaper than some other vector based programs, and seems to handle the whole process well - though it does operate somewhat differently from AppleWorks. There is a much cheaper version available on the Mac App Store, but note that it does not open AppleWorks Draw Documents: neither does the latest version from their website (4.1.x) - for this you need 4.0.x 'Retro', also available from the website.

     

    However if you are still able to run Appleworks you can convert draw documents to WP documents and open them in Pages: please see this page -

     

    http://www.wilmut.webspace.virginmedia.com/notes/aw/page3.html

  • GeneMike Level 1 Level 1 (5 points)
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    Nov 14, 2012 5:32 AM (in response to Roger Wilmut1)

    Having spent time on EasyDraw site last evening, I learned that they are up to Version 5 which is compatible with Mountain Lion.  Also, EasyDraw Retro is part of the package. They responded to an email within two hours.  See here:

     

    http://www.eazydraw.com/lion.htm

  • DJTEMPO Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)
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    Nov 14, 2012 6:28 AM (in response to MlchaelLAX)

    MichaelLAX - I read through the instructions for the Parallels/Appleworks workaround, and while I'm perfectly capable of doing it, I just seems like such a bother.

     

    Roger - EazyDraw I've tried.  It's not "easy" by any stretch of the imagination.  Intaglio is neither easy-to-use nor capable enough.

     

    I would LOVE to see Microsoft release a new version of Office that included the abiltity to open and manipulate Appleworks docs.  Wouldn't THAT be a slap-in-the-face to Apple?

     

    For the record... I've tried the iWork/Pages drawing "functions" (I say that as opposed to "App" as there really isn't one, is there?), and drawing seems to have been overlooked, or an afterthought at best.

     

    I went back to school at the age of 44, and went and bought a brand new Air (the 1.8GHz version that had just come out) as it was so convenient, small...  I subsequently sold the Air a few months later, as I couldn't do anything "productive" with the apps that Apple was offering.  (I'm used to doing things "my way" when working on an Apple, not having to alter my thoght process to accommodate poor programming that requires me to work "their way")  I kept having to sit at my desk at home (on the MacPro running 10.5.8 and Appleworks) and do my projects there.  This was NOT the concept behind me buying one of Apple's newest portable powerhouses.  I had visions of sitting in a coffee house, working on papers and presentations...

     

    For all the flak that people are throwing up here regarding the disappearance of support for Appleworks, you'd think SOMEONE at Apple would find a way to accomodate this small, but emphatic, group of people.

     

    Those of you that are adopting these "work-around" measures are doing the community a dis-service.  As you are able to find a method to get done what you need to, you'll fall silent.  There's no reason to complain if you're able to do what you need to.

     

    And with that... the "strength in numbers" concept is diminished.  Apple is probably banking on that.  Wait long enough, and all the old Appleworks users will find some other way to do what they need to...

     

    To reiterate my earlier statement... Apple will be losing an advocate when I am compelled to switch over to Windows at the point that I can't do web-surfing and e-mail on my OS 10.6.8 based Legacy machines, which is still running Appleworks.  This will likely be due to the simple fact that Apple will stop offering/supporting/upgrading these apps that run under the older operating systems.  They did that 10 or 12 years ago and I had to jump ship from OS9 to 10 because I got to the point that I couldn't do anything on my G4 anymore.

     

    You've all heard the argument... why pay SO much more for an Apple product when there are LOTS of Windoze based alternatives that are much less expensive? If I'm having to learn how to use nasty, poorly written software because Apple won't contunue to support their benchmark software, I might as well do it on a platform that doesn't cost so much (and support is MUCH easier to find without having to go stand in a line to talk to someone at the Apple store at the mall).

  • MlchaelLAX Level 4 Level 4 (1,550 points)
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    Nov 14, 2012 6:31 AM (in response to DJTEMPO)

    DJTEMPO wrote:

     

    MichaelLAX - I read through the instructions for the Parallels/Appleworks workaround, and while I'm perfectly capable of doing it, I just seems like such a bother.

    Well, of course, it is only a "bother" once.  After Snow Leopard is installed, it is always available to you on launch.

     

    Another easier option is for you to install Snow Leopard Server into Parallels.  While it sold from Apple for $399 and up, you can find it on eBay now for $125 or less.

  • Ronda Wilson Level 8 Level 8 (40,560 points)
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    Nov 14, 2012 10:56 AM (in response to MlchaelLAX)

    This whole discussion makes my head hurt.

     

    I have three MacBooks and two MacBook Pros which are all capable of running AppleWorks (as well as two G3 iMacs and an eMac, all in OS 9). All but one of the portables were bought second-hand on eBay.

     

    When Snow Leopard is no longer feasible for internet access, I'll buy a new Mac portable at that point, but my main work will continue to be done with AppleWorks. I won't like having to run two computers simultaneously, but that is what I will do if something that is a true replacement for AppleWorks does not come upon the scene.

  • MlchaelLAX Level 4 Level 4 (1,550 points)
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    Nov 14, 2012 10:57 AM (in response to MlchaelLAX)

    DJTEMPO wrote:

     

    ...Those of you that are adopting these "work-around" measures are doing the community a dis-service.  As you are able to find a method to get done what you need to, you'll fall silent.  There's no reason to complain if you're able to do what you need to.

     

    And with that... the "strength in numbers" concept is diminished.  Apple is probably banking on that.  Wait long enough, and all the old Appleworks users will find some other way to do what they need to...

    I posted my last message BEFORE I read your complete post.

     

    Perhaps you are not aware that this Forum is populated by Apple Users and is not officially reviewed by Apple's support team (although it may be).

     

    I personally think that your supposition is years too late!  You should have been pounding the Apple pavement when they first stopped upgrading AppleWorks.

     

    In any event, if you are wrong, and Apple never addresses YOUR issue, and we stop offering our "workarounds" the community will have no solution.

     

    However, if you are right, Apple will probably still never address your issue, and the workarounds will be helpful advice to those who need them.

  • GeneMike Level 1 Level 1 (5 points)
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    Nov 14, 2012 12:40 PM (in response to DJTEMPO)

    Before I hear any more condemnations of Apple for abandoning Appleworks, I want to call their attention to MS Works - a one-time direct competitor to AppleWorks.  Microsoft dropped their support of MS Works long before Apple quit on AppleWorks.

     

    I just got through converting (using MacLinkPlus) hundreds of MS Works files to RichText.  They not only would not open, the computer would not even recognize their format until pulled into MacLinkPlus.  Excel would not recognize the spreadsheet versions.

  • MlchaelLAX Level 4 Level 4 (1,550 points)
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    Nov 14, 2012 3:12 PM (in response to GeneMike)

    GeneMike wrote:

     

    I just got through converting (using MacLinkPlus) hundreds of MS Works files to RichText.  They not only would not open, the computer would not even recognize their format until pulled into MacLinkPlus.  Excel would not recognize the spreadsheet versions.

    I am a bit confused: are you saying that now MacLink Plus is failing you?

  • MlchaelLAX Level 4 Level 4 (1,550 points)
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    Nov 14, 2012 4:07 PM (in response to GeneMike)

    GeneMike wrote:

     

    Before I hear any more condemnations of Apple for abandoning Appleworks, I want to call their attention to MS Works - a one-time direct competitor to AppleWorks.  Microsoft dropped their support of MS Works long before Apple quit on AppleWorks.

    My recollection is that Microsoft Works NEVER had a "draw" module and most of the frustration of AppleWorks users comes from their archives of data files from the draw module, since it seems to be the one mostly ignored by Apple and 3rd party software conversion's inputs (other than Roger's noted alternatives, I guess, since I never used AW for drawing).

     

    His frustration is well founded; his approach to asking for help among the user base is not!

  • GeneMike Level 1 Level 1 (5 points)
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    Nov 14, 2012 5:32 PM (in response to MlchaelLAX)

    MlchaelLAX wrote:

     

    GeneMike wrote:

     

    Before I hear any more condemnations of Apple for abandoning Appleworks, I want to call their attention to MS Works - a one-time direct competitor to AppleWorks.  Microsoft dropped their support of MS Works long before Apple quit on AppleWorks.

    My recollection is that Microsoft Works NEVER had a "draw" module and most of the frustration of AppleWorks users comes from their archives of data files from the draw module, since it seems to be the one mostly ignored by Apple and 3rd party software conversion's inputs (other than Roger's noted alternatives, I guess, since I never used AW for drawing).

     

    His frustration is well founded; his approach to asking for help among the user base is not!

    I was more referring to the threats to jump ship to PC and Windows.  You are right that MS Works had no draw but I think he would be even more frustrated if he were also dealing with the loss of word processing and spreadsheets also and he would have been several years earlier!

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