9 Replies Latest reply: Nov 14, 2012 3:15 PM by mdee
KoryH Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

Hello, I am a guitarist and have a home based studio. Up to now, I have always used self contains digital audio workstations like this one:

 

http://tascam.com/product/2488neo/

 

I am thinking of switching to a software based system like Logic Pro or Logic Studio because editing on standalone DAW's can be pretty cumbersome. I do have some questions for the community that I was hoping some kind soul would take the time to answer a newbie like myself:

 

1.) Are there any disadvantages to switching from a DAW to Logic Pro/Studio (in term of capability)?

2.) What audio interface do you recommend? I need a guitar input, and XLR mic input. The Apogee Duet 2 looks awesome, but it is a little bit more expensive than what I want to spend. If you can make a good case for it, though, I'll scrap the money together?

3.) I can't decide between Logic Pro or Logic Studio. Mostly because I can't seem to tell if there is a major difference between the two of them other than Logic Studio comes with more inserts, instruments, etc. What is the major difference?

4.) Is there any other software I should be considering like Pro Tools? Yes, I realize this is a Logic Pro forum.

 

Thank you in advance!

 

Regards,

Kory


Mac Pro
  • 1. Re: Switching to software based recording
    kcstudio Level 4 Level 4 (1,625 points)

    Your foremost concern is called 'latency' it always lurks at you in software based systems . Not much of a problem if you are aware how to tackle it, but it soon can become a nightmare if your system is not fine tuned properly. So do yourself a favour and get organized on that. Apart from not so cumbersome edting task's, you will have to get used to a quite different workflow. Are the converters on the Tascam OK quality wise? If so, then you still could use it as an recording device especially when recording guitar, maybe you can synch the tascam to the software? And you should definitely consider all software options at your disposal, why not? But remember, there is no such thing as the perfect software based system for every task. I'd personally rather work with a good all-round system to start a production with and in a later stage I'd make my editing tools choice.

    And by the way, your assumption about the difference between LP and LS is correct.

     

    Good luck and have a nice day!

  • 2. Re: Switching to software based recording
    chorleyman Level 4 Level 4 (1,415 points)

    In between using an Atari/Cubase and a PC/Cubase set-up (and then eventually Mac/Logic), I used an Akai DPS16 - I can't recommend enough that you take the plunge and make the switch. Apart from the editing ability as kcstudio mentions above (which is a strong enough reason on its own), you have much more flexibility with the number of plug-ins you can use and also add third party ones to your liking. Having much more configurable screen space is another great advantage compared to the kind of displays on these kind of machines - I honestly can't think of any possible disadvantages.

     

    In my opinion (and probably most others here), its well worth spending a bit extra for an Apogee interface (MOTU and RME also make excellent stuff that works well with Apple hardware/software).

     

    You may be able to get a copy of Logic Studio somewhere, but its officially discontinued - the App Store version is only $199 for the main program and all the additional content, so if you've looked at the price of Studio, the difference will easily make up for spending a bit more on a decent interface.

     

    I haven't had any problems with Logic personally and its perfect for me as a recording musician - it won't hurt to have a good look at the others - there's a wealth of information about them out there on the old interweb - whichever you choose, it will definitely give you a whole new set of tools for making music.

  • 3. Re: Switching to software based recording
    KoryH Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    Hi chorleyman, thanks for the reply. Just wanted to clarify one thing. Apple's online store (not the app store) is currently selling Logic Studio for $499. The App Store seems to only carry Logic Pro. If Logic Studfio is being discontinued and I should buy Logic Pro from the app store, how do I get the additional plug-ins, inserts, apps, etc? Or is that not possible anymore? Is Logic Studio just Logic Pro 9 and Mainstage 2? Thanks, Kory

  • 4. Re: Switching to software based recording
    chorleyman Level 4 Level 4 (1,415 points)

    I don't think you'll find Logic Studio in the online store - the app store version doesn't include Mainstage but you can buy it separately (its only about $30 or something) - all the additional content is available as a free download from within the Logic application, there is nothing missing from this version, it also includes all the Jam Packs. Logic Studio originally included Soundtrack Pro and other utilities such as the Apple Loop Utility, which are discontinued also. The download application is a very good deal.

     

    I should also mention that Logic 9 includes Amp Designer and Pedalboard, which are really great for guitarists - I used to use a Line 6 Pod when I had Logic 8 but its gathering dust now. You can load a full set of effects and amp sims for a particular type of sound by loading a channel strip setting - there are a lot of them for any kind of sound you want and you can tweak away at the individual fx or simulated amplifier settings. If you do get Logic, I would start there - it will give you a great idea of working with the guitar (presumably we're talking about electric guitar) straight away - its hard to see how you'd be disappointed. This review should give you an idea :

     

    http://www.soundonsound.com/sos/jun10/articles/logicnotes_0610.htm

  • 5. Re: Switching to software based recording
    mdee Level 2 Level 2 (220 points)

    If computer based recording is something you've never done before I would suggest you buy the best audio/midi interface you can afford and any other equipment you would need like a large 7200 RPM FireWire or Thunderbolt Hard Drive. I assume you already have a good mic and headphones. Then start with Garageband. You can always buy Logic Pro once you have the basics down.

     

    When you purchase Logic Pro 9 from the Apple Store you will be able to simply choose Download Additional Content under the Logic Pro menu item.

  • 6. Re: Switching to software based recording
    kcstudio Level 4 Level 4 (1,625 points)

    A very, very excellent suggestion!

    GarageBand is a useful exercise before you try the big thing and I don't know a person who did not make good use of it.

    You should definitely give it a try.

     

    Cheers!

  • 7. Re: Switching to software based recording
    KoryH Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    I've actually did some recording with CuBase on Windows many years ago -- I think it was about 15 years ago. At that point, I felt that a PC based solution just didn't cut it. Latency was very long, display size and resolutions were low, it was Windows, so it crashed a lot. :-) So I went back to standalone systems.

     

    I plan to buy one of the new high end iMac coming out in December to use exclusively for recording.

     

    But I will giver Garage Band a try since I alread have it. Thanks for the suggestions.

     

    I've also decided to splurge and get the Apogee Duet 2. But from what I can tell, it does not have a MIDI interface.

  • 8. Re: Switching to software based recording
    chorleyman Level 4 Level 4 (1,415 points)

    Yeah, that's right, you already have Garageband and its definitely worth a try - I think you'll be surprised at the capability there, if you haven't tried it already (you could try the computer's audio input with a suitable jack adaptor - it can only get better than that) - if you want to input MIDI (keyboard?) you'll need either a keyboard controller with a direct USB connection or a MIDI/USB interface (dead cheap at Amazon or eBay) to go with the Duet.

     

    I'm thinking that if you've got your head around using a standalone recording machine you'll only find it easier with a menu system - I know I did - using buttons to go backwards and forwards between different fields, for example. I didn't find any of it particularly intuitive - Logic is a big program, you don't have to learn everything at once, though - it becomes one of those things that there isn't really any end to, so its just an ongoing thing.....

  • 9. Re: Switching to software based recording
    mdee Level 2 Level 2 (220 points)

    You might find the Avid/M-Audio Fast Track Pro to be more versatile for future expansion and cost much less!