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Cannot turn off color management on HP Officejet 6500 E709n

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Richard Liu Level 1 Level 1 (45 points)
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Nov 14, 2012 3:11 AM

The subject says it all.  I want to create an ICC profile for my HP Officejet 6500 E709n.  In order to do that I need to turn off color management, then print a test pattern.  I cannot find any documentation on the Internet that this is possible for this particular printer.  HP describes a driver that does support this feature, but does not say whether the feature is available for all HP inkjet printers, just fior Photosmart printers, etc.


I am running OS X 10.7.5 and have driver version 4.0.1 installed.  Can anybody verify that, on Lion with this version of the driver, the option to turn off color management is available for some printers (I suspect Photosmart) but not for others (e.g., Officejet)?  I have no option to install another driver, as Apple's Software Update determines the drivers required and installs them automatically.




MacBook Pro (17-inch Late 2011), Mac OS X (10.7.5), 2.4 GHz Core i7, 16GB RAM, 1TB HD
  • Kurt Lang Level 7 Level 7 (31,465 points)

    It may be that you can't turn it off. In my quest for a color laser printer that didn't cost a small fortune, I first tried two somewhat cheaper models. In both cases, I had checked the documentation before purchasing the printers for the same reason as yourself. There were settings on both the printer and in the driver software to disable color management and any type of auto color control.


    In neither case did those features actually work. After profiling, color wasn't even close to the monitor, so the printers were still doing some sort of color modification of their own despite being set to none. These were color laser printers in about the $275 range. As you get into anything cheaper (including of course the deluge of dirt cheap inkjet printers), they are essentially impossible to profile. These door stops are targeted at users who just expect the printer to kick out a page with an image on it.


    For a color laser printer, I originally went with a Xerox 6280DN, which is a toner model (I was purposely avoiding the models that use solid inks). That one profiled perfectly. The 6600 is probably the closest current available model to that.


    However, you're looking at inkjet printers. I know some users try to avoid Epson, but I've always had good luck with them, and the output is outstanding for the higher end models. Their cheapest professional model is the 17" 3880 at about $1200. Add $200 more for the Designer Edition, which is the same printer bundled with the EFI eXpress RIP Software.


    One of the nice features of this model is it uses their newer head. We have a Stylus Pro 4900, which replaced a 4000. The difference is night and day in ink loss. The 4000 regularly churned through a good third of the ink spent on that thing just trying to keep the nozzles clear. A very large waste of expensive ink! The 4900 still does clog at times (all inkjets do), but nowhere near as often, and it clears with less waste.


    As an example, the 110ml cartridges for the 4000 averaged $60 per color. We'd go through at least a couple thousand dollars of ink a year, much of it lost to keeping the thing unclogged. With the 4900, which we've had for a year and a half now, we still have two of the original 80ml starter cartridges in it. The replacements you buy for it are 200ml and should last a good two years or more. In other words, the cost of ink per year dropped by about 80%.

  • Kurt Lang Level 7 Level 7 (31,465 points)

    I downloaded the PDF manual for your device and in 294 pages, there isn't one word on color control. The only thing it says is to go through the Printing Preferences, but no description at all on any of them, so I downloaded and installed the drivers to a fake printer.


    Calling up a print dialogue, there is precious little color control. Under Color Matching, your only choices are ColorSync, where you must either choose a profile or use Automatic; or Vendor Matching, which means it will use automatic color control at the printer. The only other control is under Advanced Print Options, where you have slider controls for Ink Volume and Dry Time.


    The first in particular is a huge problem. There is no choice to turn off color management. You're forced to either choose a profile or let the driver choose under ColorSync, or allow the printer to do automatic color control under Vendor Matching. No matter which method you choose, it will be impossible to profile your printer.


    So trying to use the profiling service in Germany won't work. You won't be able to print the supplied targets with no color management of any kind applied to the output, which is required to create an accurate profile.

  • Kurt Lang Level 7 Level 7 (31,465 points)

    on a hunch I downloaded Adobe Color Print Utility

    That must be pretty new. I hadn't heard of it before. It appears to bypass any print driver. You open a file and choose your printer under File > Page Setup, where you choose the printer the image is going to and the paper size, then print.


    Normally, I can choose ColorSync and a profile out of various apps. With this utility, all color controls are grayed out. So it is indeed bypassing all color control at the OS level and sending raw pixel data to the printer, which is exactly what you want. The only unknown is if the printer might still be applying auto color adjustments, but there's no way around that if it is, so this is as close as you're going to get.


    I wouldn't trust the output from Graphic Converter as I would imagine it's still applying the standard print driver color adjustments to the data going to the printer.


    Once you have a completed profile, then in the standard print dialogue, you would choose ColorSync and then the created profile. Be aware that profiles are device and paper specific. Meaning, if you want a profile of plain, gloss and satin paper for that printer, you need to print out three sets of targets (one set for each paper type) and then have three profiles made.

  • Kurt Lang Level 7 Level 7 (31,465 points)

    I had to select "A4 Borderless" paper, and if I didn't also elect to reduce the print image to the selected paper, about a centimeter left and right was missing.

    As long as it wasn't chopping any of the important part of the image off, that's okay. It's alright to lose the dashed line around the outside if it doesn't fit otherwise.

    So the success of printing the targets will depend on how well the vendor's scanning software copes with size variations.  I see diamond-shaped markings before and after each printed line.  Those are likely registration marks for the software.

    The diamond marks indicate the target is going to be used with an i1 iSis spectrophotometer. The color patch squares usually have to be a specific size, so reducing the target to fit may not work.


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