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  • GeneMike Level 1 Level 1 (5 points)
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    Nov 14, 2012 5:35 PM (in response to MlchaelLAX)

    MlchaelLAX wrote:

     

    GeneMike wrote:

     

    I just got through converting (using MacLinkPlus) hundreds of MS Works files to RichText.  They not only would not open, the computer would not even recognize their format until pulled into MacLinkPlus.  Excel would not recognize the spreadsheet versions.

    I am a bit confused: are you saying that now MacLink Plus is failing you?

    No, I thought I was praising MacLinkPlus and critizing the fact that none of the MS Works files were even identified until they were pulled into MacLinkPlus.

  • MlchaelLAX Level 4 Level 4 (1,530 points)
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    Nov 15, 2012 12:05 AM (in response to GeneMike)

    GeneMike wrote:

     

    MlchaelLAX wrote:

     

    GeneMike wrote:

     

    Before I hear any more condemnations of Apple for abandoning Appleworks, I want to call their attention to MS Works - a one-time direct competitor to AppleWorks.  Microsoft dropped their support of MS Works long before Apple quit on AppleWorks.

    My recollection is that Microsoft Works NEVER had a "draw" module and most of the frustration of AppleWorks users comes from their archives of data files from the draw module, since it seems to be the one mostly ignored by Apple and 3rd party software conversion's inputs (other than Roger's noted alternatives, I guess, since I never used AW for drawing).

     

    His frustration is well founded; his approach to asking for help among the user base is not!

    I was more referring to the threats to jump ship to PC and Windows.  You are right that MS Works had no draw but I think he would be even more frustrated if he were also dealing with the loss of word processing and spreadsheets also and he would have been several years earlier!

    But much less frustration, as sources, such as Roger's, have shown the way to use AW word processing and spreadsheet files in other software.

     

    Draw - not so much!

  • DJTEMPO Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)
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    Nov 15, 2012 5:47 AM (in response to MlchaelLAX)

    MS Works is not a valid point here.  It's moot, in that... we're all on Macs and talking about AppleWorks.  I could say something like "it bothers me that I'm not able to write with a typewriter anymore since Brother stopped making the ribbons for my elecric".  MS Works is not at issue in this discussion.

     

    Further point, there are MANY other options to MS Works, particularly that you COULD upgrade to Office.  For Macs, Appleworks was the end all, be all.  No other options were ever offered by Apple, up until Pages and the existing, albeit lame, apps they're trying to push on us now.

  • veropcnet Level 1 Level 1 (40 points)
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    Nov 15, 2012 6:14 AM (in response to don gmt)

    Everyone should just get over it and a get a life. Get outside and do something and get off your computers. Seriously, you must have something better to do then to bicker on an Apple forum for 3 days. Move on. Appleworks is dead. If you want it to work so bad on 10.7 and 10.8 run it in a VM. It takes 30 min to set up. If you want the Windows version I have 10 copies gathering dust in my garage. I'll send you one if you let this thread die like it should have 3 days ago.

  • GeneMike Level 1 Level 1 (5 points)
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    Nov 15, 2012 7:20 AM (in response to veropcnet)

    I admit to being part of the useless discussion for the past few days but, the thread has great value to those (like me) struggling to migrate to a new OS with hundreds of AppleWorks files.  It was here that I found most of my solutions.

  • Phil Femano Level 1 Level 1 (5 points)
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    Nov 15, 2012 10:02 AM (in response to veropcnet)

    veropcnet:

     

    I respectfully and strongly disagree. This is exactly when we SHOULD hammer on a problem topic like this. Apple and its loyal users need to realize that when a company is so intimately depended upon to supply us with critical tools, users actually place a seriously high regard in such trust and expect that trust to not be so easily betrayed, especially since Apple had promoted Appleworks as a preferred alternative to MS Office, Pagemaker (at the time) and other similar apps. I also blame the Apple-owned FileMaker, Inc., formerly Claris, which had the responsibility for Works for several years. Filemaker's database drawing feature could have just as well allowed importing of Appleworks drawing format but both Apple and Clair/Filemaker deliberately abandoned support for that.

     

    What you are suggesting is that we simply become complacent lemmings and allow any corporation to do whatever they want so that they can turn a quarterly profit for their shareholders and simply accept the fact that we ran out of luck. Your solution is that we spend upwards around $500 more and buy WINDOWS!!! and Parallels and go thorugh that hole pain. That's certainly Apple's privilege to require us to do that in this free enterprise system, but it also happens to not be the way to handle customer service if you expect a modicum of loyalty from APPLE customers. Does Apple not have any concern about its own loyal customers instructing current Windows users about the risk of converting to Apple?! Of course, it's reasonable to assume that Apple's research indicated that the outcry for abandoning Appleworks would not be significant enough to affect share price. Perhaps a customer culture of animosity is exactly what is required to invoke a bit more concern within the confines of Apple's citidel. The fact that we're hearing such an outcy at this late date is clearly an indication of a much larger frustration building up in Apple's loyal base in response to Apple's more off-target product decisions in recent years.

     

    Fairweather friends -- personal and corporate -- are a dime a dozen. It's when your friends express dire need that the heroes stand out from the exploiters. Right now, Apple is exploiting, not heroic (one reason many characterize the company as becoming more Microsoft-like). We should continue to rag about this issue for as long as it takes us to arrive at a solution, if any. Users care more about using computers to improve their productivity. They do not care to spend time working around problems of the very technology they were lured into trusting only to have the rug pulled out from under them.

     

    There is no reasonable basis for decreeing that we simply should cowar into the cracks like a bunch of cockaroaches scrambling after the light has been turned on.

  • Stephen Bunker Calculating status...
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    Nov 15, 2012 10:20 AM (in response to veropcnet)

    "Where's my cheese?" For those of you have read Who Moved My Cheese? by Spencer Johnson you will know exactly what I mean. For those of you who haven't, check out the link for a quick synopsis.

     

    Instead of  bemoaning the fact that AppleWorks is gone, let's look for its replacement(s). I must compliment Rober Wilmut for his thorough work at http://www.wilmut.webspace.virginmedia.com/notes/aw/page1.html. His time an effort has been very valuable.

     

    By all means, let's continue sharing with one another how we are finding different solutions to this problem.

     

    Since the factory no longer makes my favorite type of cheese, I've done a little searching and have found these options. I know they aren't perfect and require some invested learning. Never the less they will get me by:

    1. Word processing - Apple's Pages
    2. Spread Sheet - Apple's Sheets
    3. Paint - Gimp
    4. Draw - Inkscape
    5. DataBase - Filemaker

     

    Numbers 3 & 4 are open source and and the last has a hefty price. Until I can save up for Filemaker, I'll be opening my databases on an older Mac via filesharing.

     

    Cheers

  • Roger Wilmut1 Level 9 Level 9 (63,940 points)
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    Nov 15, 2012 10:26 AM (in response to christopher rigby1)

    It's difficult to remember after all this time, but I'm pretty sure that macros and Publish & Subscribe disappeared with the move to Intel and we were told that it was because facilities in the System which had been relied on to provide these were not included in Intel Macs. The rest of AppleWorks continued to work, and still does perfectly well on Snow Leopard (in Rosetta): it was just these two particular facilities which ceased to work. And Appleworks itself is very old - I was using I think version 2 of it in 1993.

  • MlchaelLAX Level 4 Level 4 (1,530 points)
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    Nov 15, 2012 11:08 AM (in response to Phil Femano)

    Phil:

     

    What a well reasoned response to the discontinuation of AppleWorks; ONLY FIVE YEARS TOO LATE:

     

    http://www.macworld.co.uk/macsoftware/news/?RSS&NewsID=18827

     

    Feel free to link us to your earlier and more timely protestations...

     

    Hey, I hear that Dylan went electric!  I'm burning my copy of "The Times They Are a Changin'" in protest...

  • christopher rigby1 Level 4 Level 4 (2,070 points)
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    Nov 15, 2012 12:44 PM (in response to Roger Wilmut1)

    Roger Wilmut1 wrote:

     

    It's difficult to remember after all this time, but I'm pretty sure that macros and Publish & Subscribe disappeared with the move to Intel and we were told that it was because facilities in the System which had been relied on to provide these were not included in Intel Macs.

    No, those features were in ClarisWorks 5, but not in AW6 as I remember. CW5 ran in Classic only I think? Therefore no later than Tiger IIRC. Probably more to do with the difference between Carbon and Cocoa. But I'm weaning myself off AW (the only thing I use it for now is drawing - though AW runs quite happily on my G4, I'd rather future-proof myself as far as possible; so, WP in Word or TextEdit, SS in Excel, all graphics in Photoshop (years ago!), databases in FileMaker (since 1994!!).

  • christopher rigby1 Level 4 Level 4 (2,070 points)
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    Nov 15, 2012 12:59 PM (in response to GeneMike)

    GeneMike wrote:

     

    In my family office, I am finally moving out four Macs (2 desktops and 2 laptops) all running OS 10.4.11.  I just purchased two new Mac Book Pros with Mountain Lion and am planning the migration.  I literally have over 1,000 files that started out in some version of MS Works, Claris Works, or AppleWorks.  Over the past two days, I have been using the old standby, MacLinkPlus v.16 (the last) to get everything in either .rtf or AW6.  However, I am now worried that some future version of Pages or Numbers may not open AW6 and MacLinkPlus would have been left behind.

     

    So, maybe while MacLinkPlus is still available to make macro conversions, I should just convert all of them into .rtf ???

     

     

    If you are still able to run AW6, don't convert to RTF - I've found its implementation of it, like MS products, is not fully compliant with the open standard that it was intended to be (and may give you problems when you try to open them in certain other software). So...

     

    Take your AW WP documents into AW6 and Save As.. Word documents (file format: Word Mac 98, 2001) - they will open in TextEdit (and Pages?) as well as all versions of Word.

    Take your AW SS documents into AW6 and Save As.. Excel documents (file format: Excel Mac 98, 2001) - they will open in Numbers as well as all versions of Excel.

     

    It's ironic when your best chance to future-proof yourself means having to save in Microsoft formats, but there you are.

  • Roger Wilmut1 Level 9 Level 9 (63,940 points)
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    Nov 15, 2012 1:10 PM (in response to christopher rigby1)

    You don't need to save as MS formats. Pages will directly open AW6 word processing documents, and Numbers will directly open AW6 spreadsheets.

  • christopher rigby1 Level 4 Level 4 (2,070 points)
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    Nov 15, 2012 1:16 PM (in response to Roger Wilmut1)

    Cool - so all the talk about Apple "abandoning" its users is a bit premature. After all, Apple didn't have to make Pages and Numbers AW-compliant. They probably coded it in right from the start, a few years ago.

  • Peggy Level 8 Level 8 (38,085 points)
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    Nov 15, 2012 1:36 PM (in response to christopher rigby1)

    Yes, Pages has been able to open AppleWorks 6 word processing documents since iWork '05. Numbers has been able to open AppleWorks 6 spreadsheets since version 1 in iWork '08.

     

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  • Jeff Shenk Level 4 Level 4 (2,000 points)
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    Nov 15, 2012 4:40 PM (in response to christopher rigby1)

    I think Publish & Subscribe was dropped when AppleWorks 6 came out, but macros were available in AppleWorks 6, until you booted to OS X. And I'm pretty sure there was nothing Cocoa about AppleWorks; up until a few years ago even the Finder was still Carbon.

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