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hotwheels 22 Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)
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Nov 21, 2012 7:48 AM

i am trying to put the finishing touches on my systems and somehow am getting confused about something.

 

i have a mac pro with a disk that contains Mac OS Lion, a Virtual Box installation of Windows 7 and a partition of Windows 7 using Boot Camp. the installation of the Win 7 Boot Camp actually was done by someone else as it required writing some data to a dvd or something related to the firmware on my early mac pro.

 

anyway, i want to get this disk backed up in a way that will let me restore my OS's in the event of corruption. i am currently using Carbon Copy Cloner to create clones to external drives and Time Machine to backup as well.

 

since i am in the process of switching from Parallels to Virtual Box i was just turned on to Windows 7's Backup and Restore: http://windows.microsoft.com/en-US/windows7/products/features/backup-and-restore

 

so - if i want to get all my OS's backed up can i do this to a /single/ disk? if so, how do i do this?

 

does the VB installation get backed up as a consequence of simply backing up the drive and the WINDOWS 7 BOOT volume get backed up by /either/ WinClone or Win7 Backup and Restore? i mean, the url above seems to indicate that i can set Windows 7 to backup to an /external/ drive but i guess i need WinClone to ALSO back up the Boot Camp installation so i can restore it, is that right?

 

if so, do i need to partition the backup drive in some way or can i just drop the WinClone backup /onto/ the Mac OS Lion partition and simply back this up to an external.

 

i have a couple of computers and i backup onto multiple drives for security so i would like to keep this as simple as possible...

 

TIA

MacBook Pro, OS X Mountain Lion (10.8.1), with 64 bit Win7 Parallels
  • Csound1 Level 7 Level 7 (32,390 points)

    Backup OSX and the Virtual Machine using any normal OSX method (TM/CCC), Windows Backup is a file level data backup, you can't restore Windows from it. As for Winclone I can only suggest not relying on it (Google WinClone Problems)

  • Csound1 Level 7 Level 7 (32,390 points)

    CCC can do a full disk Block level backup which will (of course) include the Boot Camp partition, it is however slow, CopyCatX also can do a block level backup, I have never used it but another regular poster does and recommends it.

     

    Difficulty in obtaining a simple and reliable backup method for Windows is the reason I only run it in a VM. (But I try to avoid Windows whenever feasible to)

  • Csound1 Level 7 Level 7 (32,390 points)
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    Nov 21, 2012 10:10 AM (in response to hotwheels 22)

    The only issue here is the Boot Camp partition, everything else (inc VM's) can be backed up by any normal OSX method. The Boot Camp partition is Windows and needs to be backed up using Windows tools (Google Windows Backup) and see the many options.

     

    VM's do not need or create their own partition,

     

    If you only use VM's instead of BootCamp TM or CCC or SuperDuper (or any other OSX backup) will back the VM's up as well. You can also save 'snapshots' of the Windows installation within the VM software.

  • Csound1 Level 7 Level 7 (32,390 points)
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    Nov 21, 2012 10:21 AM (in response to hotwheels 22)

    It's not confusing, Boot Camp is Windows, use Windows tools to back it up, VM's are Mac programs and should be backed up with Mac tools.

     

    Why are you using Boot Camp, games?

  • dalstott Level 4 Level 4 (2,455 points)
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    Nov 21, 2012 11:07 AM (in response to hotwheels 22)

    hotwheels 22,

     

    Below are a bunch of comments that have been posted on this community over the past few years regarding Boot Camp backup. I collected them to keep informed of what may work and what may not work. Winclone has been updated since. Hopefully you can find some answers.

     

     

    WinClone was handy for XP users but doesn't for instance check for errors during the backup only during restore. Winclone was discontinued at 2.2, all 2.3 versions are hacks (removal of the OS check seems to be the main thing) There has been no deveoplment or support for a while now.

     

     

     

    Acronis 2011 w/ plus pak, didn't work well previously

     

    Ghost 15 - probably not

     

    Casper 6 works for Windows on Boot Camp only

     

    CopyCatX is more lengthy and sector copy so takes the longest.

     

    Paragon Hard Drive Suite 2011 because it works great and they have CampTune

     

     

     

    Windows 7 system backup and restore - Apple's goofy HFS read-only interferes with system and file backup.

     

     

    I have also used Casper, Clonezilla and Paragon but less regularly, Casper failed a few times, I stopped using it, Clonezilla worked but took forever (for me) Paragon (which I have only used twice) was the best but my sample is limited.

     

     

    I have restored from DU, CCC, SuperDuper and TM, they all worked, TM was slower but not a lot, you can boot from the others, which I prefer.

     

     

    HDM 2011 can do either offline or online backups, the difference is that with an offline backup, the entire partition (or disk) is unallocated. In an online backup, the backup utility is running against a partition that may be making changes to itself. When you run CCC or SD! in OS X, you're running an online backup. However, I would recommend (at least for the first backup) that you boot from the HDM recovery CD to do an offline backup. This will ensure that you have an *exact* copy of the parition/disk.

     

     

    I tried the native Windows backup utility.  It worked to backup and restore my Windows partition, but I noticed a "bad" side effect.  When I would restore a Windows Backup to my HD, it would corrupt my MacOS boot partition, so I would then have to restore the Mac partition as well.

     

     

    I created a test Windows 7 x64 Bootcamp partition (not whole dedicated HD) in my Mac Pro running 10.7.2. and made a Winclone image of it. Then I tried restoring it in three different scenarios:

     

    1. Restored it straight back to the partition I had imaged it from.

     

    2. Wiped the hard drive the original had been on, recreated the Bootcamp partition with Boot Camp Assistant, and restored it to that.

     

    3. Restored to a Bootcamp partition on a completely different hard drive.

     

    All three restores have been completely succesfull.

     

    The link is http://bubba.org/winclone/

     

     

     

    Make sure to turn off NTFS for Mac driver before imaging, if you have it installed.

     


    Winclone allows you to migrate your Bootcamp partition from one Mac to another Mac and make sure Windows will boot. However, if the processor (for example, Core Duo or i7) is a different type, the restored version of Windows may not be supported or be able to run on the new Mac. If you are migrating between Macs that are the same type (MacBook Air to MacBook Air, for example), you will have the greatest chance of success. You can try to restore Winclone images between different types of Macs (for example, a Mac Pro to a Mac Mini), but be aware that if Windows boots but does not reach the desktop, it is probably not an issue with Winclone, but rather the change in processor type.

  • Csound1 Level 7 Level 7 (32,390 points)

    I have not experienced that problem with Windows on Boot Camp, if true it does mean don't use Windows backup, but I don't know whether it is true, or not

  • Csound1 Level 7 Level 7 (32,390 points)

    You're welcome

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