10 Replies Latest reply: Nov 22, 2012 4:14 AM by Kirby Krieger
musingmusic Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

How do I extend the background of my photo in Aperture (2) - or in iPhoto if necessary - so that a publisher's specific crop will include all I want it to ?  I am fairly new to Aperture, but have used Spot & Patch, which I'm hoping is all I'll need to increase the uniform white background, once I find a way of extending the size of the canvas, as it were.

 

This tutorial seems to show how in Photoshop (I don't have Photoshop).   

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lwigGNLV8FI


Aperture 2, Mac OS X (10.7.5)
  • 1. Re: Extend the background of my photo to suit a crop
    léonie Level 9 Level 9 (51,730 points)

    Aperture cannot extend the canvas size like Photoshop. If you have Photoshop, you can setup Photoshop as an external editor (in the Aperture Preferences > Export panel) and then edit the image in Photoshop, by using the command "Photos > Edit with Adobe Photoshop...".

     

    Or use a plug-in. The free BorderFX plug-in lets you add a border to your image. But I am not sure, if a version for Aperture is available.

     

    Regards

    Léonie

  • 2. Re: Extend the background of my photo to suit a crop
    musingmusic Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    Thank you for your help.   I see that BorderFX plug-in does do a version for Aperture, but I'm not allowed a border (as in a frame) … 

     

    anyway, good to find out from you that I needn't search any further in Aperture, and I am now downloading a trial of Adobe Photoshop - Thanks again !

  • 3. Re: Extend the background of my photo to suit a crop
    léonie Level 9 Level 9 (51,730 points)

      I see that BorderFX plug-in does do a version for Aperture, but I'm not allowed a border (as in a frame) …

    I meant, "I am not sure if an Aperture 2 plug-in is available - when I posted my answer, the letter "2" was lost - sorry.

     

    WIth my BorderFX version the border can be added as a frame, like this:

    borderfx.png

    Does your version not allow it?

     

    I set the "Image Size" pop-up to "Frame surrounds image".

  • 4. Re: Extend the background of my photo to suit a crop
    Kirby Krieger Level 6 Level 6 (11,945 points)

    OP:  And, fwiw, note that the color of the border can be anything.  You can even select a pixel from the Image.  And you can set the width top and bottom and side borders independently.  The side borders are always the same width.

  • 5. Re: Extend the background of my photo to suit a crop
    musingmusic Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    Oh sorry Leonie and Kirby - I've misled you both. I meant that the publisher (to whom I'm sending the photo) will not allow a border/frame (not the plug-in).   So once Photoshop is up and running on my iMac I'll try and see if I can extend the background as in this video tutorial 

     

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lwigGNLV8FI

     

    which is thankfully similar to the task I have:  

     

    My photgraph was originally taken without enough background to allow the main foreground subject to be properly included within the 81mm x 103mm crop which the publisher always works with.

     

    So I figure that if I can extend the background as in the video above, I will then be able to include all of what I want within the 81x103 ratio - which I will crop myself with Aperture (or Photoshop) in order to include exactly what I want - before emailing it to the publisher

  • 6. Re: Extend the background of my photo to suit a crop
    musingmusic Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    Managed to include the photo in question.  Can't work out at this late hour at night if I need to extend the background up above the head - or over to the right of the current canvas (or both..) to get the full length of the head and shoulders into the 81Wx103H ratio    !Screen Shot 2012-11-22 at 01.04.52.png

     

     

     

    Cropping the original photo (as it is currently, above) to 81mmx103mm means that no more height than this pic below can be achieved

     

    IMG_0895_3 2.jpg

     

    Message was edited by: musingmusic

  • 7. Re: Extend the background of my photo to suit a crop
    Kirby Krieger Level 6 Level 6 (11,945 points)

    If you add any "canvas" to the left or the bottom, you have to invent "coat".  So the easy thing to do is add canvas to the right so that the width = 81/103 x the height.  The problem there is that the background isn't evenly colored, so even though you don't have to add "coat" you have to somehow add "background".  This can still be done with Aperture and BorderFX (which, importantly, is free).  BorderFX adds a border, but the border is then saved as part of the image.  Since you need "canvas" on the right, and BorderFX only allows non-mirrored borders on the top or the bottom, rotate the Image (lets say counter-clockwise 90°).  Then edit it with BorderFX and add a border to the top only (formerly the right side), equal to the number of pixels you need.  Sample a color near the edge, and use that for the border color.  Save the new Image.  Now back in Aperture, rotate the Image back upright.  use the Blur brush to smooth the transition from the old background to the newly added background.  You could even use the Repair brush to clone some of the old over the new.  Then maybe add a light vignette to the Image to hide you work even more (you can brush it out of the non-new corners), and you are left with just finishing up to suit.

     

    Et viola! (Sorry about my silly watermark -- I forgot it was preset in BorderFX.  And the sloppy blur work -- but you see the possibility.)

    Screen+Shot+2012-11-22+at+01.04.52.jpg

  • 8. Re: Extend the background of my photo to suit a crop
    léonie Level 9 Level 9 (51,730 points)

    If you add any "canvas" to the left or the bottom, you have to invent "coat".

    For task like this I like to use inpaint:

    http://www.theinpaint.com

     

    If you add to the borders of your image file, you can fill them automatically with inpaint based on statistically texture criteria:

    • select the area you want to fill
    • let inpaint find the best matching samples in the image and replace the area by these samples

     

    For example: Selecting the white border in inpaint

    inpaint1.png

    Automatic replacement:

    borderfxpainted.png

  • 9. Re: Extend the background of my photo to suit a crop
    musingmusic Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    Thank you both so much.  What a great introduction to Support Communities this is for me !

     

    If I've got time I might try extending my coat, Leonie (i.e. coat as in my jacket, right ? - just checkin this isn't a photographic term for a 'coat' as in layer of photo-paint or something…?! ), and this will certainly be useful for other photos.  Thank you.

     

    It's surprising that Aperture, which has Spot & Patch, doesn't also have its own tool to do what inpaint and BorderFX do.  I've bought Aperture, so ideally would like to get to know it, and stay inside Aperture all along.  (I've now also got Photoshop on Trial, downloaded and ready ..!)

     

    But all I need to do is to have a walk, to oxygenate my brain, and follow Kirby's clear instructions about when to swap from Aperture to BorderFX for the easier white background task.  Thank you so much for going through it, Kirby - I guess I can choose not to have the watermark.  I'll be slow no doubt but will report back - hopefully to report success.  Thank you both again !

  • 10. Re: Extend the background of my photo to suit a crop
    Kirby Krieger Level 6 Level 6 (11,945 points)

    Yes, "coat" = jacket.  "Coat" is not, here, jargon.  "Jacket" would have been a better choice -- but I'm glad you understood.

     

    Inpaint looks very useful.  Thanks Léonie.

     

    And thanks musingmusic for your kind appreciation.

    musingmusic wrote:

     

    It's surprising that Aperture, which has Spot & Patch, doesn't also have its own tool to do what inpaint and BorderFX do. 

    Aperture almost rigorously adheres to a design paradigm of _adjusting_ digicam files.  It does not _add to_ files.  That means creating, cataloguing, and storing new graphic entities, which is not how Aperture is set up to work.  For that, you generally turn to graphics programs (built from the ground up as compositors).  In some cases plug-ins provide enough of this functionality to meet the needs of photographers.  Used as such, they introduce, in a non-standard way, additional Originals, which complicate the Aperture workflow.  (Here on the forum these are often refered to as "quasi-Originals".) 

     

    Your need is to create a new graphics entity (of a larger size, and perforce containing data that is not in the original).  The proper tool is Photoshop of any of its many excellent competitors.  The "proper tool" however is not always the best, easiest, or least expensive  .

     

    Message was edited by: Kirby Krieger -- attempts at clarification.