Currently Being ModeratedNov 22, 2012 11:42 PM (in response to BobTheFisherman)
I have been searching the reviews on here and about 5 other forums that have a Mac area. what do you mean by "FWIW?" I just wish people on this forum could fell more open about expressing their real expereinces with the Apple products they have purchased and have been using.
Currently Being ModeratedNov 22, 2012 11:50 PM (in response to NObodE)
FWIW = For What It's Worth...
There are thousands of posts here from rMBP owners - but you don't read the ones that are happy with their purchased because most people come here with problems - and that's what this forum is for: solving technical issues that may arise. So, here, you're just going to see complaints from folks for the most part - not real world reviews, but rather real world problems.
Today is Black Friday - should be a good day to buy!
Currently Being ModeratedNov 23, 2012 12:01 AM (in response to clintonfrombirmingham)
thanks for your earlier post.
Yea I came her to buy but the Store is down for now.
You misunderstood my complaint. On other forum sites people can freely state their expereince with the Apple machines they have-both negative and positive. On here people are too scared to post their negative comments about Apple products, but that is why I come here. I have done a ton of research and read a ton of positive points about the rMBP, but I am interested in what some people who have used this machine and have some complaints. There are always problems posted, because as you stated people come her with problems in hopes they can be worked out. But when someone comes here like I am asking for people to weigh in who have not had the best expereince with the rMBP machine. this will not cause me to purchase one or not to purchase one. However it will give me a heads up on some issues that people might have had with their machines. some negative points about the rMBP are just things that people will have to deal with, some can be worked out, but most problems people do not feel comfortable listing the problems they have had with the rMBP because those posts are frequently removed.
anyway, hard to explain what I am trying to say, but I still have not decided what machine to get. I am diappointed that the rMBP does not have the SuperDrive installed. As far as I know Office and Photoshop cannot still are installed with a DVD. Maybe the Cloud can be used to install some programs and some can be downloaded, but still I do not like the fact that the rMBP does not have the installed drive.
Currently Being ModeratedNov 23, 2012 12:14 AM (in response to NObodE)
It depends on which version of Office and PS you have - I know that when I actually purchased Office it came with a disc, but I had already downloaded and installed the fully-functional 'trial' version and simply needed the activation key from the disc sleeve - same with Adobe CS6 Design and Creative Premium - yeah, I have a box and a DVD disc, but I had already downloaded it from Adobe and just bought the 'box' with the disc to have it - no real need for it any longer.
As most software companies move away from physical media to downloadable files, the need for an optical drive decreases. That said, I still use my optical drive to burn archival discs and have been doing so for over ten years now - so I use mine maybe once every two weeks. I could do without it and simply purchase an external optical drive.
People really just share their 'bad' experiences here - they're having problems, they come to this forum. For all of those posts about image retention on the Retina display models, there are likely 10,000 people who aren't having any IR or tinting issues. Believe me, if you read the rMBP 'burn-in' posts, people aren't scared to post negative comments at all.
But sometimes - most of the time probably - people have no problems with their MBPs (such as myself) and will recommend setups similar to their own. You've read in this thread from some rMBP owners who have no problems - they're out there.
Once the store comes back up, go ahead and get your rMBP and just order an external SuperDrive with it - they're pricier than some third-party optical drives but they're guaranteed to work with your rMBP.
Currently Being ModeratedNov 23, 2012 12:44 AM (in response to clintonfrombirmingham)
I wish I could have a one to one with you before this purchase but realize that is out of the question. I want to make sure I do not get in a bind with tis purchase because I am behind the times as far as technology goes. Fro example I have a basic Internet service. When I try to swith the YouTube videso to pay in the top HD replay mode I just get the stop and start throughout the whole video. with that said I do still use an ethernet cable. I have an old Airport Extreme but being 4-5 years old I am not sure of it is up to daye with the security. Also my knowledge about how to use these USB 3.0 ports the thunderbold ports, etc so I can still use this machine at work and home, one needs that extra knowledge to work around what this rMBP does not have and I have become used to (without the knowledge of how to get around not having some of the basic things or utilizing the advanced parts of the rMPB)
For example, if you get a chance, will you translate this paragraph for me (and if you have the time tell me how I can use the thunderbolt cable when both ends have the same size small thunderbold ends) Here is what I need translated incase I need to use my ethernet cable.
The absence of an integrated Gigabit Ethernet port will surely bother some, but Apple offers a Thunderbolt to GigE adapter for $30 to accommodate. Since Thunderbolt effectively offers an external PCIe interface, there’s no performance loss if you go this route vs. the old integrated GigE connector. I was able to sustain nearly 930Mbps between the rMBP with the Thunderbolt GigE adapter and last year’s MBP:
Finally if I do get the external drive, can I use the thunderbolt cable (like the one that came with my Phone 5) to plug the external drive to the rMBP or do I need an adapter if I decide not to use the USB 3.0? I would like to use the lightening to lightening cable but what devices uses this on both ends? make sense?
Currently Being ModeratedNov 23, 2012 12:53 AM (in response to clintonfrombirmingham)
In the other post you said to wait on the rMPB. I was going to put my order in but I just read that post so I am confused now. Here you said to order it. Hopefully I can get some clarification by the am and order the std or rMBP.
Did you upgrade your current MBP that you like so much with the current OS?
the one machne I am replacing is 3 years old and has so many things wrong with it I am anxious to get it out of my life. Not sure how I ended up with so many problems, but I think a lot were transferred over from the previous MBP when the Apple Store set it up.
Currently Being ModeratedNov 23, 2012 12:55 AM (in response to NObodE)
OK - first - the bold type indicates that you can't use an Ethernet port (because the Retina MBP doesn't have one) but rather have to use an Thunderbolt to Ethernet adapter in order to plug in your MBP to an Ethernet router. That's a big minus for me (although I use the Ethernet port on my Apple Thunderbolt Display - not the one on my MBP - primarily).
You should take a look at this Thunderbolt FAQ - http://support.apple.com/kb/HT5219 - you can't use the TB port for much other than TB hard drives (I've one coming in January - having budgeted to get it!) and displays (I've the Apple Thunderbolt Display, which acts as a 'dock' as well). The drives are supposed to be super-fast. I can't wait to get mine and retire some of my older FireWire 800 drives.
If you're going to plug in TB drives to your TB port(s), you need a TB cable (sold separately in most cases - $49). But it's a screaming fast connection and your only limitation is the speed of the spinning platters. The LaCie that I'm getting has two 2 terabyte 72000 rpm disks - the fastest available for the consumer, right now (other than SSDs, but that's a different story).
Don't know if I answered all your questions - I'm sure that we've done nothing but confuse you about which MBP to get but, as I said in another thread you started, I would, were I you, go for the fastest processor and best GPU in a non-Retina display MBP.
Currently Being ModeratedNov 23, 2012 12:58 AM (in response to NObodE)
I wouldn't get the Retina - I'd go with the standard 15" with the fastest processor and best GPU that you can order. You can later install more RAM and, if you wish, a SSD to make it as 'speedy' as a Retina model.
And, yes, I'm running the current OS - 10.8.2 - have been running it since before it was released to the public. Love it. No problems at all.
My recommendation, again, is above. I just wouldn't take a chance with the Retina display models just yet.
ClintonMacBook Pro (15-inch Late 2011), OS X Mountain Lion (10.8.2), 16 GB RAM, 512 GB SSD, ATD
Currently Being ModeratedNov 23, 2012 1:09 AM (in response to NObodE)
I'm using rMBP 15" late 2012 with 16GB of ram. Luckily I got mine with Samsung display. So far no issue, running eclipse for java and nodejs programming and occasionally playing Diablo III.