Currently Being ModeratedNov 26, 2012 11:13 AM (in response to XofM)
The problem is that there is no better alternative than the iPhone. Except from our issue here, the phone is perfect in my opinion. But let's hope that the update will be pushed with the official release of iOS 6.1, which should take a couple of weeks more now (I hope).
Currently Being ModeratedNov 26, 2012 11:20 AM (in response to Pieter J.)
Exactly 3 weeks today.
Congratulations Apple and Proximus.
I'm proud to be your customer.
(copy and paste if you agree)
Currently Being ModeratedNov 27, 2012 8:42 AM (in response to iStiliyan)
I just saw on the internet that CISCO is going to stop supporting the standard IEEE 802.11 (aka Wifi) in East-Europe !
Currently Being ModeratedNov 27, 2012 10:55 AM (in response to nick-1989)
I'm glad that I'm getting the e-mail notifications of the censored messages nick-1989 is posting.
Nick if you can not post your actions here then post them on the Belgian democratic blog.
Currently Being ModeratedNov 28, 2012 1:18 AM (in response to Pieter J.)
try censoring this:
Currently Being ModeratedNov 28, 2012 1:53 AM (in response to Pieter J.)
You may set the APN by yourself?
Currently Being ModeratedNov 28, 2012 2:16 AM (in response to Ricky@ITSHK)
You have to enter the APN settings manually anyhow, but then you can only connect to 2G and 3G networks, no 4G/LTE. To enable LTE, you need a valid (= signed by Apple) carrier bundle with this key:
It's insane to program an unlocked smartphone in such a way that it only connects to LTE networks that have been pre-approved. No other phone manufacturer would do silly things like that.
Currently Being ModeratedNov 28, 2012 2:26 AM (in response to bollegijz)
Wat mij vooral stoort is dat die LTE aanpassing voor hen waarschijnlijk slechts 1 minuut werk vergt.
Maar dat ze toch de tijd vinden om dit forum zo streng te controleren.
Het is voor mij overduidelijk dat Apple hier van slechte wil is.
Currently Being ModeratedNov 28, 2012 2:32 AM (in response to Pieter J.)
Why does everybody get so worked up about this?
The 4G network only became available recently, Belgium can hardly be considered a big market (it's just small in terms of number of people) and apple does not prevent you from buying any other phone that supports the 4G immediately.
I know it's quite ****** not to be able to use the network, while you know your phone can support it, but I'm sure they'll update the carrier settings soon enough and you know when you buy any apple product that you will be part of their 'controlled environment' in many ways... probably the most annoying thing in their policy... but as long as they provide us with the best products in the market (in terms of design and usability in general) we'll keep on buying them and have to accept their policies...
It's just the way it works people... shouldn't surprise anyone and I hardly think they'll be trembling on their feet because of some lame threats made on this forum.
Be patient and in the mean time get a life ;-)
Currently Being ModeratedNov 28, 2012 2:49 AM (in response to KevinBelgium)
Kevin, there's still something like laws against false advertising (e.g. selling an LTE phone that cannot connect to certain LTE networks) and unfair competition (e.g. keeping LTE disabled for Proximus due to agreements between Apple and Mobistar). Even Apple has to abide by these laws. Failure to do so, can result in huge fines (e.g. € 860 million). The size of the market is not an argument at all, given it would only take a couple of minutes to enable LTE for Proximus.
Currently Being ModeratedNov 28, 2012 2:57 AM (in response to Pieter J.)
Apple only cares about law when it comes to patent infringement.
Currently Being ModeratedNov 28, 2012 3:02 AM (in response to nick-1989)
Think you'll have a hard argument selling that in court.
The phone is perfectly usable on all operator networks (it's just the 4G that does not seem to get activated for now). And as there are no competing networks offering any 4G they are not causing any unfair competition as of yet. The disclaimer 'some services are possibly not available in all countries or on all networks' will probably be more than enough legal protection.
On top of that european law would in case of any breach of it only fine, in accordance to breach... that would never be nearly the amount you mentioned above.
Believe me apple is doing nothing illegal. On top of that I think they'll activate this **** at some point in time, but know your position, you are a customer in a small area of a non partner network... with no legal grounds to sue them at all... so you'll just have to be patient.
Currently Being ModeratedNov 28, 2012 3:04 AM (in response to KevinBelgium)
So Kevin, what you're saying basically comes down to this: Apple doesn't give a **** about customers in relative small amounts and is acting like a dork.
Thanks for sharing that.
Currently Being ModeratedNov 28, 2012 3:09 AM (in response to bollegijz)
It's a matter of prioritisation. Not about not caring. US, China, Brazil, Germany, UK... as a company you need to prioritize your developments according to revenue. I still don't think not activating a network within a couple of days after launch of it counts as not caring.
And yes in the end... no company (and especially not a big multinational) genuinely cares about a customer, only about the revenue that customer can generate... welcome to capitalism... it's been around some time.
Guess you are having the wrong expectations from a company.
Currently Being ModeratedNov 28, 2012 3:14 AM (in response to KevinBelgium)
get your facts straight, please. Proximus LTE was introduced nov 4.
You do the math.
The rest of your post, I will ignore to preserve your credibility, or what's left of it.