8 Replies Latest reply: Nov 27, 2012 12:11 PM by markysparky100
sarahdk Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

Hello,

 

Please help! I'm desperately trying to find a HD camcorder that films in widescreen (16:9 im guessing) has a mic and headphone jack and is most most most  importantly able to be easily uploaded into fcp without having to download software to convert footage files or use a card reader.

 

Ideally I want to use a fire wire becaue I heard somewhere that using a usb connection such as a card reader will reduce quality, don't know if this is true though.

 

If there is not a camera out there that does this then card reader it will have to be. I can't seem to find any new hd camcorders that have a dv input so that it can be connected to my imac with my  4-pin to 6-pin firewire. 

 

So far I have found that the cannon hf s10, it  looks good but I still have to use a card reader to upload the files and it requires a class 4 card for HD recording. The recording modes say this but I have no idea what it all means when it comes to fcp:

5 recording quality modes.¹

MXP: 1920x1080, 24Mbps;²

FXP: 1920x1080, 17Mbps;²

XP+: 1440x1080, 12Mbps;

SP: 1440x1080, 7Mbps;

LP: 1440x1080, 5Mbps

 

I had also seen the panasonic TM30 and HDC HS900  but it records in 1080 / 50p : MPEG-4 AVC/H.264 (original format) / HA / HG / HX / HE : MPEG-4 AVC/H.264 (AVCHD standard compliant), I'm not 100 per cent on this but I think recording into MPEG4 means it has to be converted for FPC.

 

 

Suprisingly a lot of the Sony HD cameras don't have a mic jack?!

 

Is there any camera out that anyone,somewhere someone knows it will allow me to record in HD on the internal memory and upload straight into final cut pro, once logged and transfered ready to edit?!?!

 

Also another worry I have is the log and transfer time, I need to produce a  fast turn around of video content on a daily basis and simply cannot afford to waste time waiting half an hour to upload a clip for a 2 min video, rendering is alreay a pain.

 

My budget is under £800

 

Please please please help  I'm going mad trying to get one!!!

 

Cheers


Final Cut Pro 7, Mac OS X (10.6.4)
  • 1. Re: Best HD camera for Final cut pro
    David Harbsmeier Level 7 Level 7 (29,650 points)

    >Ideally I want to use a fire wire becaue I heard somewhere that using a usb connection such as a card reader will reduce quality, don't know if this is true though

     

    It isn't true.  Fireiwre is needed for capturing from tape (DV, DVCam, DVCPro, Digital8, etc), but it is not needed for file transfers from card-based recorders and it that requirement had nothing to do with quality.  It is, after all, just a file transfer and will not affect quality.

     

    Almost all of the consumer/prosumer card-based cameras will require you to convert the files prior to editing due to the fact that they don't record in a format that was designed for editing.

     

    >Best HD camera for Final cut pro .... My budget is under £800

     

    You won't get anywhere near the "best" with that budget.

     

    -DH

  • 2. Re: Best HD camera for Final cut pro
    sarahdk Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    Hiya,

    Thanksso a card reader camera is worth going for then when it comes to uploading footage. But im concerned about having to convert stuff- how will it take, and then after it's convereted does the footage still have to be logged and transfered into fpc?

     

    I've jsut been looking at the SonyHD R SR11 and it recording formats are HD: MPEG4 AVC/H.264 SD: MPEG2, is mpeg 2 better to recod in for fcp than mp4? or h.264?

     

    Cheers

  • 3. Re: Best HD camera for Final cut pro
    David Harbsmeier Level 7 Level 7 (29,650 points)

    Some of the formats may be used directly in Log & Transfer; converting to one of the ProRes codecs is what most people do.  Other formats will need to be converted using thrid party apps like MPEG Streamclip or ClipWrap.

     

    MPEG-2 has been around for a long time now and isn't quite as effecient as its newer cousin, MPEG-4.  H..264 is actually an MPEG-4 variant (MPEG-4, part 10).

     

    -DH

  • 4. Re: Best HD camera for Final cut pro
    sarahdk Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    Thanks, hmm well if I was to avoid third party converters at all costs, and at the risk of buying a camera taking it home and discovering that actually  the format cannot be used directly in log and transfer, which format would be best?

     

    Sorry if this seems really basic, I'm trying to get my head round it all! All I want in life right now is a nice simple hd consumer camcorder that final cut pro will not freak out at leaving me a time consuming job of converting and uploading. 

     

    My current set up is filming directly into final cut pro from the camera using no tapes/internal memory or sd cards, as all video content I make is on a small green screen, I need a camera that will allow me to do the same thing but in hd. I know that filming a green screen in hd is a bit awkward but the boss wants what the boss wants. Any thoughts at all? It woul be much appreciated!!

  • 5. Re: Best HD camera for Final cut pro
    Daniel Sametz Level 1 Level 1 (15 points)

    There´s a used HG21 Canon for $600, http://www.amazon.com/gp/offer-listing/B001DTXK8G/ref=dp_olp_used?ie=UTF8&qid=13 04758062&sr=8-1&condition=used

     

    I think it´s a good HD camera, I used to make content for internet using that camera and I liked the results.

     

    http://youtu.be/MRJL0aJAKyk

  • 6. Re: Best HD camera for Final cut pro
    Prof. Torg Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    How about a recommendation for over that budget?

  • 7. Re: Best HD camera for Final cut pro
    markysparky100 Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    Hi,

     

    Read great reports about the canon HV30/40 minidv camcorders and seen them go for around £250 on Ebay but wondered if anything newer has come out that anyone can recommend.

    I'm using Final Cut Pro 6 (just getting to grips with it) and find using my old standard def Panasonic GS320 is very easy with log & Capture and would like a DV based device that will operate the same meaning i haven't got to encode any files to Prores and all that jazz.

    I saw a new Panasonic HD camera in a local Panasonic store that used miniDV but it was some £900!

    i'm looking to spend perhaps upto £600,perhaps even a grand if it results in excellent quality and ease of use.

     

    Any suggestions all?

     

    i'm in the UK by the way.

  • 8. Re: Best HD camera for Final cut pro
    markysparky100 Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    Been some months since I posted my question and wondered if anyone can recommend a solution to my needs.

    What I want is to record my family at the very best quality I can but within a budget of about £1000.

    I've looked at buying the canon HV30/40 and was interested in hearing it can output uncompressed video through its FireWire to a hdd device buy wasn't sure what kit you would use,I've also looked at the XHA1e/s and heard that the s model can output uncompressed too.

    I'm tempted to just go out and buy this :

    http://www.jessops.com/online.store/categories/products/sony/hdr-fx1000-hdv-camc order-75443/show.html

     

    Since its the only minidv based camcorder I can find still retailing with a Warranty in the uk.

    I know I should bite the bullet and buy a AVCHD cam but I would need to upgrade my mac.

     

    Any help or advice appreciated