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  • 615. Re: bluetooth music issues after iOS6 update
    mowog74 Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    deepcover wrote:

     

    If the stereo manufacturers had different issues resulting in the Bluetooth problems, then there's no way for Apple to fix this unless they give the user a way to default to AVRCP 1.3, which may not be feasible.

    Or the OS could detect whether it's connected to a known-incompatible device (either by checking a list of known devices or by "feature sniffing") and fall back to 1.3 if appropriate.  This may also not be feasible, but it's false to say they can't fix it if they were so inclined.

     

    It's very similar to what Microsoft did when it introduced Internet Explorer 8 -- they wanted IE to comply with modern web standards, but knew that doing so would break many sites that incorrectly relied on prior versions' non-compliant page rendering. But instead of just shrugging and saying "sorry all your favorite sites are broken now, but we're adhering to published standards and you'll just have to wait for your sites to adhere to them too," they allowed the new version to fall back to prior rendering behavior, automatically in some cases, or at the user's request.

     

    It's irritating I'm sure for companies to have to do this sort of thing, but many do it anyway for the sake of keeping their customers happy.

     

    Edit: Added IE example

  • 616. Re: bluetooth music issues after iOS6 update
    deepcover Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    I don't think Apple wants to be in the business of keeping a whitelist of compliant hardware manufacturers and tracking their firmware changes.  That defeats the whole purpose of standards.  It would make more sense for Apple to have their representatives communicate with these companies prior to a major change like this to avoid these problems in the future.  For instance, if Apple has a car audio room in their testing labs and noticed that the Pioneer radios weren't working correctly; then maybe they should have called Pioneer. That being said, it's all hypothetical that Apple even tests this part of iOS in this way.

  • 617. Re: bluetooth music issues after iOS6 update
    William Kucharski Level 6 Level 6 (14,695 points)

    deepcover wrote:

     

    Based on Apples statement, it seems like the fault lies with the manufacturers, although I agree with you that the fact that the stereo engineers are fixing it is not proof that it's their fault.

     

    True, but by the same token Apple does fix bugs, so manufacturers wouldn't develop firmware updates to work around things Apple may have fixed by the time they ever released their software fix.

  • 618. Re: bluetooth music issues after iOS6 update
    kz5fhz Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    Apple is never going to admit fault,   proof,...  exists with the change of IOS6.   Bottom line, change is going to have to start at the consumer.    I don't appreciate options being taken away from me on my existing phone.    I used them a lot!.  I didn't ask for the change.   If i wanted the change I would have upgraded to the Iphone 5. 

     

    A wise man told me once....   " No matter how good of a deal or how poplular the name is of a product,  if it doesn't do what they say,   IT IS NOT WORTH IT."

     

    With that statement,  the apple product changed their product, and now does not work as they stated.

     

    I am going to say goodbye to apple.     If you are waiting for a "Fix" from apple...   i think you are urinating into the wind.

  • 619. Re: bluetooth music issues after iOS6 update
    deepcover Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    "proof,...  exists with the change of IOS6."

     

    That's not proof at all. Technologies have to change. Anytime you are the first one, you will run into these issues. If Apple implemented avrcp 1.4 correctly, it's up to the car stereo software people to correct their code. Android does not support avrcp 1.4 (that I know of), but when they do they may end up with the same issues for the un-patched car systems.

     

    This has been posted several times already, but here it is again if you didn't see it:

    http://support.apple.com/kb/TS4483

  • 620. Re: bluetooth music issues after iOS6 update
    kz5fhz Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    Hmmmm.   That's strange.    You must live in a different universe than I do.   My New Galaxy s3 works perfect.    All control and all data appears.       I guess, just like you illusions of apple not being at fault, you are wrong again.   

     

    Go Samsung.  

  • 621. Re: bluetooth music issues after iOS6 update
    deepcover Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    The Galaxy S3 doesn't implement AVRCP 1.4.

    It implements 1.3 like iOS 5 did.  The stereo that you are using does not implement AVRCP 1.4 correctly so it defaults to 1.0, which doesn't have track information or the status of the music source, which makes the stereo controls non-functional.

  • 622. Re: bluetooth music issues after iOS6 update
    crankerchick Level 1 Level 1 (5 points)

    For educational purposes, how do you know it is reverting to 1.0? Can you provide a source for that statement? I have read qute a bit on this but haven't seen any real detail on exactly what is going wrong on the stereo side.

  • 623. Re: bluetooth music issues after iOS6 update
    kz5fhz Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    I don't believe that consumer cares what it reverts to or even use.    They want it to work!!!    Which brings me back to my original statement.  

     

    We just want it to work!!   

  • 624. Re: bluetooth music issues after iOS6 update
    crankerchick Level 1 Level 1 (5 points)

    I am a consumer and I do care how it works (or in this case doesn't work) as well as it being fixed, which unless you haven't been following the last few pages (and I don't think you have), it isn't going to be fixed by APple and it isn't going to work unless your radio manufacturer issues an update.

     

    At this point, I don't believe mine will so I would at least like to understand what is going wrong just for educational purposes. Right now all I know is if doesn't work and Apple says it is a fault with my radio.

     

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  • 625. Re: bluetooth music issues after iOS6 update
    deepcover Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    crankerchick wrote:

     

    For educational purposes, how do you know it is reverting to 1.0? Can you provide a source for that statement? I have read qute a bit on this but haven't seen any real detail on exactly what is going wrong on the stereo side.

    I don't have any inside knowledge and I'm basing this on what AVRCP is suppose to do.  From Wikipedia:

     

    Audio/Video Remote Control Profile (AVRCP)

    This profile is designed to provide a standard interface to control TVs, Hi-fi equipment, etc. to allow a single remote control (or other device) to control all of the A/V equipment to which a user has access. It may be used in concert with A2DP or VDP.

    It has the possibility for vendor-dependent extensions.

    AVRCP has several versions with significantly increasing functionality:

    • 1.0—Basic remote control commands (play/pause/stop, etc.)
    • 1.3—all of 1.0 plus metadata and media-player state support
      • The status of the music source (playing, stopped, etc.)
      • Metadata information on the track itself (artist, track name, etc.).
    • 1.4—all of 1.0, 1.3, plus media browsing capabilities for multiple media players
      • Browsing and manipulation of multiple players
      • Browsing of media metadata per media player, including a "Now Playing" list
      • Basic search capabilities

     

    The fact that iOS 6 AVRCP still works on all stereos that I know of, but only provides basic remote control commands for some of them, would suggest that those stereos are only utilizing the 1.0 functionality when 1.4 profile is used.

  • 626. Re: bluetooth music issues after iOS6 update
    drewe2000 Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    Just a helping hand...

     

    Alpine has released a beta firmware (which sounds scary with that title) for a few of their head units to improve compatibility (fix their bugs) with the iPhone 5.

     

    http://alpine-usa.com/feeds/promo/12avupdate

     

    These are the included units: INE-Z928HD, INE-S920HD or IVE-W535HD

     

    I'm sure they have more on the way, and they won't be the only ones.

  • 627. Re: bluetooth music issues after iOS6 update
    Saphod Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    As I've mentioned before, my Mazda CX-5 head unit displays the metadata from the music played without problems. But: It ALWAYS displays "Folder: 1023", and I cannot skip through the albums with the unit, only manually on the iPhone. Play/Skip/Pause a song works fine from the head unit. Anyone else got the same issue? Strange that all but that works.

  • 628. Re: bluetooth music issues after iOS6 update
    crankerchick Level 1 Level 1 (5 points)

    deepcover wrote:

     

    I don't have any inside knowledge and I'm basing this on what AVRCP is suppose to do.  From Wikipedia:

     

    The fact that iOS 6 AVRCP still works on all stereos that I know of, but only provides basic remote control commands for some of them, would suggest that those stereos are only utilizing the 1.0 functionality when 1.4 profile is used.

    Thanks. Makes sense. Just wasn't sure if you had found anything documented from Apple or a stereo manufacturer.

     

    I guess it's also possible that the head units are recognizing and "seeing" AVRCP 1.3 but the data itself is lost in translation, if that makes sense. Would be nice to know.

     

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  • 629. Re: bluetooth music issues after iOS6 update
    vinliu88 Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    I have had the same issue with my iphone 4. Now, the iPhone 5 has the exact same issue to me. It seems that apple is trying very hard to **** every one off.

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