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Underline too close to the text?

1081 Views 11 Replies Latest reply: Dec 4, 2012 11:43 AM by ToxicShockTaco RSS
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Dec 3, 2012 2:42 PM

I have been having an issue with underlining in Pages. I have Googled this problem and found a few responses, but none of them actually answered the question.

 

When I underline text, normally there is a comfortable space between the line and the text above. However, approximately every 4 lines there is no space between it and the letters above, making the underlined text look very squished and thick (the underline is too close to the text). To help clarify my issue, I have included a screen cap (see below).

 

Please note that the only font style I am questioning is Times New Roman, 12 pt for the purpose of writing research papers. I understand that every font has its quirks, but Times New Roman is not typically affected in this manner.

 

Here are the common replies (in quotes) I have seen when this question was asked by others. My response is below, starting with the dash:

 

"If you want more space between the type and the underline, use a different font."

     - I cannot use a different font. I am required to use Times New Roman, 12 pt when writing research papers in APA format. Using "Times" is not the same as "Times New Roman".

 

"Open Font Book (in Applications), select all of the fonts & go to File > Validate Fonts…"

     - Times New Roman has passed and is safe to use.

 

"I think you are just worrying about what you see on screen which is not quite accurate because of the position of the pixels. Print it out and see what it looks like."

     - My document prints exactly as it shows up in Pages.

 

Here is the screen cap for reference:

testing underline.png

 

Anyone know why this is occurring?

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  • Jeff Shenk Level 4 Level 4 (2,000 points)
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    Dec 3, 2012 5:03 PM (in response to ToxicShockTaco)

    Try zooming in to 400%. Does it still look as bad?

     

    At 125%, Times New Roman looks much the same on my screen, but at 400% it displays correctly and it prints correctly on my laser printer, printing directly from Pages. Is there something about your printing method that would cause it to use the same low resolution as your screen?

  • VikingOSX Level 5 Level 5 (4,700 points)
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    Dec 3, 2012 6:21 PM (in response to ToxicShockTaco)

    The affection that the underline has for Times New Roman descenders is not configurable within Pages. The good news is that one can fine tune the underline behavior with typography tricks.

     

    We start with:

    Screen Shot 2012-12-03 at 9.10.17 PM.png

    Here are the steps to a better underline:

     

    1. At the end of the word(s) to be underlined, include a trailing ‘g’
      1. It replaces the space between words to maintain tracking

    2. Select the ‘g’ only
      1. Format > Font > Baseline > Lower. Do this twice.
      2. Highlight what you want underlined including the extra ‘g’ and select underline.
      3. Select just the underlined ‘g’ and choose Colors from the Pages Toolbar.
        1. Change the opacity from 100% to 0.

    3. You now have the desired underlining with perfectly retained tracking and whitespace.

     

    And end with:

    Screen Shot 2012-12-03 at 9.19.36 PM.png

  • Walt K Level 4 Level 4 (2,895 points)
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    Dec 3, 2012 6:37 PM (in response to ToxicShockTaco)

    You may have to look to a different program to solve your problem since you are forbidden to change fonts. Incidentally, I got even spacing when I ran a test.

     

    Different programs seem to handle underlining differently. Here is a screen shot I made several years ago illustrating that.

    Underlines.png

    You might try downloading TNR from a different source as there are some differences in different versions of the same font.

     

    Walt

  • VikingOSX Level 5 Level 5 (4,700 points)
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    Dec 3, 2012 6:44 PM (in response to VikingOSX)

    A keen eye will see that tracking is off on the descended underline example. I forgot to mention step 2.4. You place the cursor behind the hidden, descended ‘g’, backspace, then press the space bar. The descended underline remains, and correct tracking is retained.

     

    Screen Shot 2012-12-03 at 9.37.50 PM.png

  • Tom Gewecke Level 9 Level 9 (70,850 points)
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    Dec 3, 2012 8:12 PM (in response to ToxicShockTaco)

    In Inspector > Text > Spacing > Line, set it to "exactly" underneath the box and then see if there is an acceptable value for the line spacing where the underlining behaves properly.

  • VikingOSX Level 5 Level 5 (4,700 points)
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    Dec 3, 2012 8:52 PM (in response to Tom Gewecke)

    Tried this on an underlined word. Only changes the baseline, and does not have any effect on underline bar separation.

  • Tom Gewecke Level 9 Level 9 (70,850 points)
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    Dec 3, 2012 9:23 PM (in response to VikingOSX)

    VikingOSX wrote:

     

    Tried this on an underlined word.

     

    I think you need to look at paragraphs.  The OP is concerned about the every-4th-line problem.  Below is an example before an after adjusting line spacing.

     

    Screen Shot 2012-12-03 at 10.15.10 PM.png

     

    Screen Shot 2012-12-03 at 10.15.51 PM.png

     

    The differene is a bit clearer if you click on the two screenshots.

  • Walt K Level 4 Level 4 (2,895 points)
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    Dec 3, 2012 9:34 PM (in response to Tom Gewecke)

    Tom,

     

    Did you print your tests? The effect is quite common on-screen.The OP says it happens for him on printing also.

     

    Walt

  • Tom Gewecke Level 9 Level 9 (70,850 points)
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    Dec 4, 2012 5:28 AM (in response to Walt K)

    Walt K wrote:

     

    Did you print your tests? The effect is quite common on-screen.The OP says it happens for him on printing also.

    Good point, Walt.  On my system (canon pixma) the every-4th-line problem does not show up upon printing.

  • VikingOSX Level 5 Level 5 (4,700 points)
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    Dec 4, 2012 7:06 AM (in response to Tom Gewecke)

    Tom,

     

    You are right. I had to go macro and look at the bigger picture. Your line spacing recommendation does produce uniformity.

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