Currently Being ModeratedDec 6, 2012 5:22 AM (in response to Sheylin)
Honestly I wouldn't be as concerned with latency so much as with supported software. I guess what I am trying to say is why would you desire a cross platform software when Apple has it's own software. see mainstage:
Also I know Garage band is pretty sweet and smooth running. It comes with ILife. Sorry, just not familiar with Kontakt I guess. I have seen a 13 inch on stage 3 years ago using mainstage. No problems. If you get the 13 I suggest getting 8 IGigs of Ram. However, keep in mind technology is always on the move. So more power means keeping up with technology.
I'll try to get back to you in later, I have more to add. Do you have any youtube vids? Have to check out. Sorry.:(
Currently Being ModeratedDec 6, 2012 5:47 AM (in response to Benjamin2102)
Hey, thanks for your reply,
I'm not quite sure why you are referring to cross platform software here. I use Ableton Live for production (sometimes also Logic Pro). Kontakt is merely a software instrument (to be exact it is a sample player for software instruments which you can use standalone). It can also be used inside Logic Pro or other hosts.
Why I am bragging about latency is, being a pianist, when playing fast pieces, a latency of 10ms is recognizable and 20ms is close to unplayable.
Currently Being ModeratedDec 6, 2012 8:30 AM (in response to Sheylin)
Are you aware that the new MBP Retina models do not have a line-in port? Even the line-out cannot be switched to line-in other than with the Apple headphone/mic set, which is mainly for Skype and the like.
If you need an external mic it will need a USB sound adaptor such as Griffin iMic.
Currently Being ModeratedDec 6, 2012 8:37 AM (in response to noondaywitch)
As I explained, I'm using a external Komplete 6 Audio interface which provides Mic amps as well as MIDI inputs and Instrument Jacks.
Currently Being ModeratedDec 6, 2012 8:55 AM (in response to Sheylin)
Have never seen and have no knowledge of how these key pieces of software you need were programmed, but if they depend on putting out fast graphics onscreen, you will be better served by a 15" than a 13". The bigger model comes with two graphics processors, in contrast to the single one in the smaller model. This is what makes the 13" undesirable for fast action games or any other demanding graphics task.
I concurr that a sound professional won't deign to use the limited analog sound input not present in the 13" or the Retinas, but the DIGITAL input also present in the same combo jack is another matter altogether. Accessible to any fiber-optic TOSlink-equipped gear you may have. Same goes for the sound output in the 15" models.
As for raw processing latency, there's nothing in the Retinas that can't be equalled or surpassed on the regular models. Key issues in achieving this is the RAM (the regulars CAN handle up to 16GB like the Retina, in spite of what Apple says) and the storage device. Equip a regular with a large server-grade SSD instead of the default mechanical HDD, coupled with 16GB RAM and it will blow the socks off any Retina in raw processing power. Be sure to get the faster CPU, as it gets you 1GB of dedicated VRAM for the graphics. And adding the Widescreen/Antiglare option (1680x1050) gets you roughly half a Retina in graphics power for substantially less. After all, you'll rarely be able to push the 2880x1900 Retina display to its native resolution anyway except when watching BluRay-grade movies.
Currently Being ModeratedDec 6, 2012 8:43 PM (in response to Courcoul)
Wow I didn't know about the possibilty to upgade a MBP to 16 IGB's of Ram Courcoul! Sweet!!!!!!
Sheylin: Yes, I was going to mention Ableton. (Ableton is swucking feet) Sooo... Sounds like you really know your stuff! About the only thing I can do at this point is suggest talking to someone I met a while back. He might be able to help you with latency considerations. try a google search for the name Geoff Stockton, I know he's on you tube also.
...And ditto what Courcoul said for the most part. Not sure what the latency factor would be but you may also consider a Mac Mini server if you are on a budget. However you supply your own Display. This isnt a bad thing as vga monitors are still fairly abundant and very cheap at resale shops. All you need is a miniport to vga adapter I think $30. But again you are concerned with latency... So For cost 15 inch MBP (Non retna) VS Mac mini server...Both have 2.6GHz quad-core Intel Core i7 with turbo boost but The Mini W/server comes with 16 IGigs of ram preinstalled this is where they begin to differ. 15 inch MBP is $2200 VS mac mini server @ $1400 (with bells, whistles and a red "do not press this button" button). Plus mac mini also has dual 1 Iterabyte= 2 ITB on board! Next you should be able to testify that heat can effect latency. with a MBP you pull more Watts on board to supply a display where as with the mini processing is all stand alone. Catch my drift? Also note. I would check with Ableton to see how well it works with quad vs dual core processers. In short some software isn't designed to work with quad cores and may only utilize a single core at any given time. Ableton is a sweet gem though so it wouldnt suprise me if at least soon it doesn't utilize quad core technology. I might enjoy hearing some of what you produce also. Good luck Sheylin
Currently Being ModeratedDec 6, 2012 9:07 PM (in response to Benjamin2102)
Tue, 19 Jun 2012 3:36 pm
Latency has more to do with the driver than the medium. However, if you saturate your USB bus that would cause a lot of issues.
I run Logic with a ton of Native Instruments stuff on my iMac as well. Honestly, I wouldn't go with any interface that uses USB period. Some people run USB interfaces and it works for them, I just won't do it. A while back I actually bought a FireFace 800 over the UCX, even though the UCX was newer because it was firewire 800. Even if it doesn't seem like much now you always end up with a ton of stuff on the USB bus, everything from midi controllers, keyboards, to USB dongles. I just prefer to keep my audio interface separate to avoid all of the headache.
Once you get low enough latency is pretty much indistinguishable anyway. Most decent interfaces can get to the indistinguishable level with a low enough buffer setting. One thing you might want to try is doing a headphone mix on your interface if it's supported. Things like my UA Apollo as well as the FireFace 800 allow for doing a headphone mix where there would basically be no latency at all. That helps for the audio signal recording (i.e. playing drums) not for virtual instruments.
One thing I'd be more concerned about is the quality of the converters over latency. Not as important if you are doing everything in the box with virtual instruments but really important if you are recording instruments or doing something like analog summing. You can't go wrong with a decent interface with decent converters especially if it's your livelihood.
Why not go thunderbolt? I have an Apollo Quad and the thunderbolt expansion card should be available this summer. Not sure what the status is on the MOTU thunderbolt interface. Thunderbolt interfaces may not be available today, but it's certainly close enough to warrant a look.
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