Currently Being ModeratedDec 5, 2012 6:46 AM (in response to fjr_birddog)
Apple updated the bluetooth standard on their devices and left the third party suppliers behind. Apple is no more likely to change this than they are going to go back to the 30 pin connector. It's called "progress" or planned obsolesence. Whichever you prefer. I am waiting for a firmware update for my Pioneer AVH-P3400BH which Pioneer says is forthcoming.
Currently Being ModeratedDec 5, 2012 7:03 AM (in response to crankerchick)
I had already tried the repairing and it did not fix it. However, before I tried a factory reset, I simply tried rebooting the iPhone and that seemed to fix it. So re-pair them and then reboot fixed for me.
Thanks for the post crankerchick
Currently Being ModeratedDec 6, 2012 7:40 AM (in response to iASS)
You can feel free to disagree of course, but in my opinion the "definition of arrogance" in this situation applies more to manufacturers who fail to properly follow standards, then fail to provide updates/support for their equipment when they inevitably fail to remain compatible. THAT is what I call planned obsolescence.
Until the last few years, stereos, car head units, auto manufacturers didn't even bother to release firmware updates. It's new territory for them. And the ones who are more concerned about customer relations will do what they can to update their equipment. The others will just write the customer and that model off, expecting them to just buy whatever they make next. Again, you can feel free to disagree, but Apple is better about this support than most other companies out there.
(Un)fortunately, change is the price I pay as a customer for being on the leading edge of tech equipment.
Currently Being ModeratedDec 6, 2012 7:54 AM (in response to drewe2000)
I agree with this. What I really hate about this is that is applying to the same device, new software. So, my iPhone 4s which work before the update and now does not, I might have to purchase a new headunit, when nothing physically changed in it, just have hardware works. I do understand the issue of the new iPhone 5 not fully working on the older headunits, such as what Pioneer saw in their testing. If the manufactures use the bluetooth standards, it would have worked perfect before and after the update, and they would not have to release a firmware update. Personally, I like to do something right the first time, that way I don't have to go back and do it again, someone should teach all of the manufactures this.
Currently Being ModeratedDec 6, 2012 8:02 AM (in response to drewe2000)
I'm going to post an alternative view to this, since at this point we are all having a discussion and it is obvioius that Apple isn't going to address the problem.
While it may not be their problem because other manufacturers aren't compliant with the standard and yada yada, this exact situation is still an example of Apple's choices for their hardware and software can impact the customer in a negative way.
In this example, Apple provides no way to go back. On competing platforms, those users, some posting in this forum, are willing and able to put the effort to flash back to a version of firmware on their phone that functions as they desire. It's just not possible on Apple, that I'm aware of.
Those extolling the greatness of Apple to be "leading edge" might want to ask why a company that can be first to bring us AVRCP 1.4 *still* can't offer advanced end users options to expand their device to function as they want it to. I like my iPhone but I surely do miss having more control over my device, and developers having more options to change things to work as the customer wants them to. It may be a small subset of people, but we exist too.
Currently Being ModeratedDec 6, 2012 8:12 AM (in response to crankerchick)
Actually there is a way to revert back, it is use very often by those who jailbreak their phones, so Apple does not recommend or even support it. I think the program is called tiny umbrella. The downfall of this is you had to expect this and create a "backup" of the software on your phone, if you did not create it before hand there is no reverting back, at least that I know of, I tried about 2 years ago and could not.
Currently Being ModeratedDec 6, 2012 8:52 AM (in response to nikB123)
Good to know. I have jailbroken my past devices, but never felt the need to guard an update so closely until this one. I've always accepted the update, lost jailbreak, and waited for a new jailbreak to come out, with no issue. In the past, I've always felt that whatever "bugs" an update brought would be promptly addressed and I wouldn't be left in the cold. This is the first update to an Apple device I've owned where I've felt like I would gladly go back. There's nothing special enough in iOS 6 to outweight what I've lost.
That said, on Android, it's not a simple one click roll back either, and it isn't supported officially by Google, but from the sounds of the Apple process, it does sound like Android is easier to go back. To start, you *don't* have to have saved anything prior to updating if you want to roll back (you just have to load factory images instead of restore a backup). Having made a backup does turn reverting back into more of a 1-step process, but it's still not quite one-step.
The other part of it with competitors is that developers have more accessibility to, for example, change the bluetooth stacks. Maybe this is bad, but what it does is allow developers to bring AVRCP 1.3 to Android when Google hasn't implemented it yet. In this case, it would allow developers to hack together working AVRCP 1.3 for those of us affected. Just because Apple won't do it doesn't mean it can't be done. I just fear with iOS that developers won't have access to the parts of the system for them to implement a fix, leaving me at the mercy of my car manufacturer for an update.
It's not a dealbreaker for me, but it is a bit frustrating whenever there is something that I could do with my stock Android phone that not even a jailbroken iPhone can do. It's the fundamental difference for me between the two platforms and I'm constantly questioning if I have made the right choice with the iPhone.
Currently Being ModeratedDec 6, 2012 12:08 PM (in response to nikB123)
About Alpine CDE 133 BT and iphone... Here's a reponse from Alpine France :
The transition to ios 6 no longer allows the management of audio streaming function.
We do not update for CDE133BT now and waiting for information from our head office to know if an update will be posted or if Apple provided a new version of ios.
Does someone have others news from head office ?
Because i just bought my Alpine but wish to return it if there is no solution
Currently Being ModeratedDec 7, 2012 8:24 AM (in response to nikB123)
I found this interesting statement from Apple with a list off affected car stereos
Currently Being ModeratedDec 9, 2012 4:22 PM (in response to Dr Agonlord)
No new info dude, if you goto the link below it says that my head unit will need a firmware update so I'm trying to track down how to do such a thing. I have the AVH-P4400. I doubt anything will come out, it'll be fixed when Apple updates iOS 6 to the next big update 6.1.x. I'm just tired of having to reach for the phone to change the Pandora station
Currently Being ModeratedDec 9, 2012 4:43 PM (in response to matsayz)
It should be a file that you download and copy onto a thumb drive. There should be some kind of maintenance mode or procedure for loading the new firmware. Whether Pioneer actually makes the download available is a different story.
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