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Broken Mac SE 30?

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Nov 24, 2012 2:06 AM

Hi everyone,

 

This is a long shot but worth and ask I feel.

I have managed to find a Mac SE 30 that was going in the trash at work so took it home. The Mac itself does start up but only to a flashing floppy disk icon and nothing more. It looks like it has a floppy disk stuck inside it which the paper clip release doesn't do anything. You am push am entire paper clip trough the hole without hitting a thing.

 

I have looked online to see what can be done but I still can't find much. From why I found I think the hdd is broken and I can't be sure what's happened to the floppy drive.

 

Can anyone give me advice of how to get it working again? Or in the event its just a paper weight, then any neat mods I could do to it?

 

Thanks

  • dalstott Level 4 Level 4 (2,445 points)
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    Nov 24, 2012 1:26 PM (in response to Peter Temp)

    Some have gone the MacAquarium route.

     

    http://www.theapplecollection.com/Collection/MacAquarium/

     

    Or MacQuarium if you prefer.

     

    http://www.applefritter.com/image/tid/114

     

     

  • paulpen Level 1 Level 1 (30 points)
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    Nov 27, 2012 1:18 PM (in response to Peter Temp)

    Sounds like the Mac is fine. but probably needs a new hard drive (in the 40+ MEGAbyte range). You can usually find the service manual by doing a google search. (if not, let me know and i can send you the PDF). The SE30 is a pretty cool little Mac, though limited by today's standards. There's lots of older software that will run on it--check out macintoshgarden. This includes Mac OS 7.0.1, 7.1, and 7.5.3, so you can generate startup floppies to reinstall the OS to the hard drive. You'll just have to get that floppy disk out if there is one in there.

    PowerMac, Mac OS X (10.4.11), G4; G5; Dual-Core iMac.
  • paulpen Level 1 Level 1 (30 points)
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    Nov 27, 2012 2:02 PM (in response to Peter Temp)

    I would have thought the SE30 had a 1.44MB floppy drive. Maybe it was replaced at some point w/ an 800k drive. You used to be able to buy pre-formatted floppy disks, but not anymore, unless you can find some online. Ideally you would have *another* old Mac with a floppy drive to create OS installer disks, though the Mac can be much newer than the SE30. You *might* also be able to do it in Basilisk II (Mac emulator) on a PC.

     

    It would definitely be worth opening the case to check/replace the battery and generally clean it up. If you're an electrical engineer type, you don't even really need the service manual. Just don't touch those capacitors.....

    PowerMac, Mac OS X (10.4.11), G4; G5; Dual-Core iMac.
  • paulpen Level 1 Level 1 (30 points)
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    Nov 27, 2012 3:17 PM (in response to Peter Temp)

    Is yours an SE30 or the original SE..? I used to have an SE and it had an 800k drive, but i checked everymac dot com and it says 1.44 for the SE30. Either way, it's always possible someone replaced it. As for opening the case, i did that once to increase the RAM, and it was a bit tricky but not all that hard. i think you might need one of those star-shaped screwdriver-like tools.

     

    As for creating startup/installer floppies, you'll need OS9 or earlier which limits you to a G4 system or earlier, preferably with a built-in floppy drive, although a USB one might do the job. I think you just create them using DiskCopy, once you download the images.

     

    As for discharing the CRT, even after you turn on the pwer switch--with the computer unplugged--the caps will still hold some charge. The only way i know that will totally discharge it is tossing it into the sea (a last resort to be sure). I never tried to discharge the CRT on mine--just don't touch the back of it.

    PowerMac, Mac OS X (10.4.11), G4; G5; Dual-Core iMac.
  • Appaloosa mac man Level 5 Level 5 (4,300 points)
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    Nov 28, 2012 12:10 AM (in response to Peter Temp)

    Do not forget that all of those Macs have an external SCSI port.  External zip drives will boot that mac along with CD-ROM drives that have had the optical drive replaced by a SCSI hard drive.  You can do a lot with that port.

     

    Ji~m

  • paulpen Level 1 Level 1 (30 points)
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    Nov 28, 2012 12:36 PM (in response to Peter Temp)

    I did not do any unusual procedure to discharge the CRT when i opened my SE, other than turning the power switch ON *after* I unplugged it (to discharge some of the charge). But you also want to make sure you've grounded yourself *before* doing that, and then don't walk around until you're finished workingon it, especially not on a carpet.

     

    As for booting from a SCSI device, interesting idea. I never tried that because the floppy drive was okay in mine.

  • Gerard Van Schip Level 1 Level 1 (40 points)
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    Nov 28, 2012 7:18 PM (in response to Peter Temp)

    First off the stuck floppy, you should hit something with the paperclip, are you sure there is a floppy inside, can you see it? If so then switch the Mac off, hold down the mouse button and keep it pressed down while switching on the Mac. It should eject the floppy providing the floppy drive is still working, does it make any sounds?

     

    Like PaulPen suggested you might want to look for an extermal SCSI drive or a SCSI Zip drive, of course both do mean you need to have the floppy drive working first as you need to install a system on the drives.

     

    Good luck, I LOVE the SE/30

  • dalstott Level 4 Level 4 (2,445 points)
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    Dec 6, 2012 9:02 AM (in response to Peter Temp)

    You might find some parts or even a dead SE that appears to have collapsed from something other than your problem. Some forums about old Mac hardware have swap and sale sections. Below are some links I have gathered that may help. Good hunting.

     

    http://retromaccast.ning.com/forum/categories/1672786:Category:50/listForCategor y

     

    http://lowendmac.com/lists/swap.html

     

    http://www.gryphel.com/c/buymac/index.html

     

    http://oldermac.hardsdisk.net/oldmac.html#hard

     

    http://www.ccadams.org/se/repair.html

     

    http://www.retrotechnology.com/herbs_stuff/m_plus.html

     

    http://www.ehmac.ca/mac-desktops/91534-vintage-mac-stuff-se-30-powerbook-180c-mo re.html

  • paulpen Level 1 Level 1 (30 points)
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    Dec 6, 2012 11:35 AM (in response to Peter Temp)

    Yes, Ebay has become more and more disgusting over the past few years. Now it's all about profiteering. People hoard these old Mac (and PC) parts, and since they know they'll never sell 90% of their hoard, they try to sell everything for 10x what it's actually worth. Still, from time to time there are  reasonably priced items there.

     

    As for the floppy drive, it might just be really dirty and if you take the SE apart, you might be able to open the drive and clean it. Also, the drive from some other older Macs would work if you can find one or borrow one.

     

    OR..... if you have another SCSI Mac, i think you could put the SE's hard drive into that as a 2nd hd, install the OS, and then put that back into the SE. I would try that.

    PowerMac, Mac OS X (10.4.11), G4; G5; Dual-Core iMac.
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