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Comment obtenir la ligature œ dans Pages ?

641 Views 9 Replies Latest reply: Dec 8, 2012 9:12 AM by Jean-Marc Sfez RSS
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Dec 7, 2012 10:23 AM

Bonjour,

 

Je n'arrive pas à obtenir les ligatures "habituelles" telle que œ pour les lettres oe dans le mot œuvre.

 

Description précise de mon contexte :

— iMac 27" 2011 avec Mac OS X 10.6.8

— Logiciel Pages'09

— Document avec :

    — 'Français' comme langue pour le paragraphe contenant le texte.

    — 'Utiliser les ligatures' coché dans les propriété du document.

     — 'Common Ligatures' et 'Historical Forms & Ligatures' cochés dans la section Ligatures du menu Typographie... des Polices.

 

Dans ce contexte, lorsque j'écrit le mot oeuvre, il reste tel que, sans se transformer en œuvre !

Ceci est vrai indépendamment de la police de caractère que j'utilise (Palatino, Lucida Grande, Times, Times New Roman, Arial, Garamond Premier Pro...) !

 

A noter cependant que si j'écrit ffi, il se transforme bien en fi.

 

J'ai donc l'impression que les ligatures sont bien configurées mais que Pages ne sait pas que oe doivent se transformer en œ.

 

Merci d'avance pour votre aide ;-)

iMac, Mac OS X (10.2.x)
  • Tom Gewecke Level 9 Level 9 (70,850 points)
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    Dec 7, 2012 3:08 PM (in response to Jean-Marc Sfez)

    option/alt + q on US layout

     

    option/alt + o on French layout

  • Tom Gewecke Level 9 Level 9 (70,850 points)
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    Dec 7, 2012 3:17 PM (in response to Jean-Marc Sfez)

    Jean-Marc Sfez wrote:

     

    J'ai donc l'impression que les ligatures sont bien configurées mais que Pages ne sait pas que oe doivent se transformer en œ.

     

     

    Only true if you can get the œ in TextEdit but not in Pages.  Does TextEdit work?

  • PeterBreis0807 Level 7 Level 7 (27,350 points)
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    Dec 7, 2012 4:52 PM (in response to Jean-Marc Sfez)

    Also available in:

     

    Menu > Edit > Special Characters… > View > Code Tables > 0000000000 > Basic Latin > 0090C > double click on the œ character

     

    When you get the œ add it to:

     

    Menu > Pages > Preferences > Auto Correction > Symbol and text correction

     

    Peter

  • Tom Gewecke Level 9 Level 9 (70,850 points)
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    Dec 8, 2012 5:12 AM (in response to Jean-Marc Sfez)

    Jean-Marc Sfez wrote:

     

    TextEdit either does not support the œ ligature.

     

     

    That normally means that the fonts which you have tried do not support the œ ligature as a typographical feature, and it is not a problem with the app.  Do those fonts you have named do this for you somewhere else?

     

    I have by chance found one which works when you select "dipthong ligatures":  Apple Chancery

     

    I don't see how some font could know whether you were typing oeuvre or moelleux, so it is perhaps not surprising that most of them do not include oe in the ligatures they can make automatically.

     

    Is there some app you have used in the past which works the way you want, such as MS Word?  If so, I suspect it is because of a more sophisticated French proofing tool that comes with it and not connected to typographical font features.

  • Tom Gewecke Level 9 Level 9 (70,850 points)
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    Dec 8, 2012 9:01 AM (in response to Jean-Marc Sfez)

    PS  I checked my copy of OpenOffice and found that it includes proofing tools that automatically switch oe to œ when the language is set to French, so that may be a better app for creating text like this.  You can always copy/paste it into Pages.

     

    One disadvantage of using this sort of autocorrection tool is that normally searching for a word containing oe will not work, since the œ is a totally different character.   For search to work the conversion has to be based on typographical switching within the font (which seems to be rare for oe/œ).

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