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Is cover flow gone in iTunes 11?

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  • MacPow75 Level 1 Level 1 (15 points)
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    Dec 9, 2012 1:52 PM (in response to rustyintegrale)

    rustyintegrale wrote:

     

    Add new music, add new art. I have no objection to finding and downloading my own art either. I prefer high res like I prefer high res sound (I can count on one hand the tracks purchased from iTunes) so most of my library is personally ripped and personally assigned artwork. That's why I find it particularly galling when iTunes 11 decides to strip me of my own stuff.

     

    Oh Absolutely!!! I spend a good amount of time looking for the highest res artwork I can find. 500x500 is IMO, the best tradeoff for filesize vs appearance, although I have plenty of 1200x1200 image files... In fact, if I can't find good artwork for an old CD in my collection... I will scan the cover and go through the process to get a good image, Heck, for some of the vinyl I have ripped to mp3 in audacity, if I can't find cover art on line...I will get out my DSLR and adjust the lights and get a good image that way...

     

    It makes me CRAZY.... all this dumbing down of nearly EVERYTHING!!!!! iTunes is, or was, an incredibly powerful and full featured database that was a joy to use... yea, the autofill is obnoxious and occasionally a PITA... but the smart playlists and the ability to edit the metadata... all that... good stuff... And as I mentioned, I sorely miss having the artwork infinitely scalable in a column in the column view that we had in 9...

     

    It gets worse and worse every release... with no known reasoning or thought behind it...

  • MacPow75 Level 1 Level 1 (15 points)
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    Dec 9, 2012 1:43 PM (in response to MacPow75)

    you know... I would even be willing willing to give them a couple of bucks for an iTunes "Pro" version, though I'd be paying for something that I had as part of the original package.

  • Mark Block Level 2 Level 2 (270 points)
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    Dec 9, 2012 1:48 PM (in response to Trane Francks)

    Trane Francks wrote:

    ... I think the point is well made that Cover Flow was a huge selling point and the agency used it to good effect. It's possible that the agency wasn't told of the feature's pending demise precisely because of it being such fantastic eye candy. Moreover, I think that Apple may have lost the Big Picture with the passing of SJ.

    It's entirely possible that the hardware marketing people at Apple, working on the ads for new laptops with retina displays, were unaware of the imminent death of Cover Flow. What Jobs brought to the party (besides his generally good taste) was a point person -- a dictator who reviewed and approved everything, including the ads.

     

    Don't know what is going on at Apple now. All I know is that the Songs view is half-baked without Cover Flow, and the Albums view is even more half-baked without better sorting options.

  • rustyintegrale Level 1 Level 1 (60 points)
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    Dec 9, 2012 1:54 PM (in response to Trane Francks)


    ...you see stunningly beautiful industrial design in the hardware being mated to disastrous software (cite: multi-display and fullscreen mode in Lion/Mountain Lion). iTunes 11 continues this relatively new trend of disaster and not paying attention to how users interact with their systems.

     

    Now that I wholeheartedly agree with.

     

    It's no coincidence that the one person continuing to push Apple in the right direction is a supremely talented Brit. It's also no coincidence that the person who discovered him hidden in some back office at Apple is one Steve Jobs.

     

    If ever there was a worthy successor to Steve it is Sir Jonny Ive. He and Steve made Apple what it was a year ago.

     

    Tim Cook must take all the credit (and responsibility) for dragging it to the point it is at today.

  •  DJ Calculating status...
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    Dec 9, 2012 1:55 PM (in response to rustyintegrale)

    rustyintegrale wrote:

     

    But can I ask you something.... seriously... They still have the visualizer??? Are you eF-ing kidding me?? Talk about old fashioned... I guess Apple doesn't want me to have dig out my old lava lamp, LOL and since I haven't stoked my bong in about 3 or 4 decades it doesn't matter anyway... Visualizer but no coverflow...

     

    Hello??? Is anyone in there? Apple??

     

    Very good point. I can't remember the last time I ever used that. It was a gimmick when it first came out but quickly became tired.

     

    Coverflow on the other hand constantly evolves. Add new music, add new art. I have no objection to finding and downloading my own art either. I prefer high res like I prefer high res sound (I can count on one hand the tracks purchased from iTunes) so most of my library is personally ripped and personally assigned artwork. That's why I find it particularly galling when iTunes 11 decides to strip me of my own stuff.

     

    I don't think visualizer as a feature is all that bad. If you take a look at the way Sonique (now out of production) did visualization you will see what I mean. Some of those visual plugins where amazing. The thing is they combined both form and function and thats what I think made it both functional and visually striking.

    Not to mention anyone could make their own visualiztion which helped.

  • rustyintegrale Level 1 Level 1 (60 points)
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    Dec 9, 2012 1:59 PM (in response to DJ)


    I don't think visualizer as a feature is all that bad. If you take a look at the way Sonique (now out of production) did visualization you will see what I mean.

     

    I think the measure of it's current usefulness is hidden in your parentheses...

  • MacPow75 Level 1 Level 1 (15 points)
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    Dec 9, 2012 2:05 PM (in response to DJ)

    DJ wrote:

     

    I don't think visualizer as a feature is all that bad.

     

    No, I don't think it is all that bad, and I am sure that there are people who enjoy it, and perhaps I came on too strong... but my point is why keep visualizer while taking away the truly stunning coverflow.

     

    This idea that not enough people use it to make it worth it... well... who WAS using it... old guys like me with the purchasing power to buy iPhones, iPads, iMacs, MBPs for me and all my high school and college age kids... mac mini for my mom, all that... not to mention the software and media that I spend a lot of money on... Apple is everywhere in my house, in every pocket, because I had the cash to lay out for it... and was willing to spend it... Sure, lots of young people out there with their iPhones and shuffles, and all that, probably won't miss coverflow... but the guy at home, buying that stuff, likes to go a little deeper... who isn't looking for the easiest way all the time, but the best way.

  • Trane Francks Level 2 Level 2 (205 points)
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    Dec 9, 2012 2:10 PM (in response to rustyintegrale)

    rustyintegrale wrote:

     

     

    If ever there was a worthy successor to Steve it is Sir Jonny Ive. He and Steve made Apple what it was a year ago.

     

    Tim Cook must take all the credit (and responsibility) for dragging it to the point it is at today.

     

    Indeed. With Jony recently being given domain over Human Interface design, one can hope that some elegance will creep back into their software offerings. I'm not a big fan of skeuomorphism (as opposed to metaphor). Lion and Mountain Lion are skeuomorphism poster children.

  •  DJ Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)
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    Dec 9, 2012 2:32 PM (in response to rustyintegrale)

    rustyintegrale wrote:

     


    I don't think visualizer as a feature is all that bad. If you take a look at the way Sonique (now out of production) did visualization you will see what I mean.

     

    I think the measure of it's current usefulness is hidden in your parentheses...

     

    If i recall correctly..

    There where two versions of Sonique I was refering to the first version, the first "core" which reached the hight of its production shortly after version 1.6/7/8/9

     

    Sonique 2 which was completely redisigned is still being worked on by independant devs even to this day over 10 years later.

    Even now people want the devs to continue work on the first version.

     

    You can tell simply by looking at the security doc for itunes 10.7 from 10.6.3  Looks like iTunes is now sharing that fate.

    I hope that does not end up coming to fruition.

  • Noizeof77 Calculating status...
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    Dec 9, 2012 11:32 PM (in response to abombaci)

    iTunes 11 is an ugly, dumbed down piece of ****. Absolutely pitiful. First it's Google Maps and Youtube from my phone, now its cover flow from my iMac. NEWSFLASH APPLE>>>>>REMOVING A PATIENTS HEART WILL STOP A HEART ATTACK, BUT WILL KILL THE PATIENT.

  • Noggie66 Calculating status...
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    Dec 10, 2012 5:45 AM (in response to HappyMedium27)

    Hate to say it but that album view feature is ok and has a use . . . it should be in addition to coverflow though and not its replacement

  • affenpinscher Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)
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    Dec 10, 2012 8:44 AM (in response to DJ)

    OK, fine, you like visualizer. I'm guessing we're all cool with that.

     

    The point is not whether visualizer is ok, although there would be plenty who disagree with you and think it is innane

     

    It's not cover flow. It doesn't have the functionality, usefullness and relevancy to what you are listening to that cover flow does. MHO, visualizer has nothing to do... with... pretty much anything. If I want to see cool designs, I'll go get that screen saver CD I have in my old software box from 2004.

     

    While we're on that subject, ditto with the ability to pull a large-sized version of the artwork up. I wish people would stop bringing that up in this particular forum. Again, it may be great for some people, but it's not cover flow or a subsitute for cover flow. What I used was cover flow. It's really hard for me to believe it was removed because it was the whole point of iTunes as a music player. Meanwhile, visualizer and (incredibly) Genius survive. Mysterious!

  • verttwin Calculating status...
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    Dec 10, 2012 8:59 AM (in response to abombaci)

    Apple, listen to the people! Bring cover flow back! This new version is a huge disappointment. It lacks flair and functionallity. What the @#$^ are you guys thinking. Try a little market research in the future before removing loved features.

  • rustyintegrale Level 1 Level 1 (60 points)
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    Dec 10, 2012 11:09 AM (in response to Trane Francks)

    Trane Francks wrote:

     

    rustyintegrale wrote:

     

     

    If ever there was a worthy successor to Steve it is Sir Jonny Ive. He and Steve made Apple what it was a year ago.

     

    Tim Cook must take all the credit (and responsibility) for dragging it to the point it is at today.

     

    Indeed. With Jony recently being given domain over Human Interface design, one can hope that some elegance will creep back into their software offerings. I'm not a big fan of skeuomorphism (as opposed to metaphor). Lion and Mountain Lion are skeuomorphism poster children.

     

    Skeuomorphism is a new one on me. So much more so that I had to copy and paste your spelling! However I have heard it bandied around and seen it mentioned in magazines.

     

    What does it mean? Even Wikipedia's explanation is somewhat vague...

  • paulsalter Level 2 Level 2 (465 points)
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    Dec 10, 2012 11:12 AM (in response to rustyintegrale)

    It's a software interface that looks like a phsical object

     

    ie

     

    Page turns in iBooks mimics page turning in a real book

    iCal looks like a desk calendar

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