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  • WolfGanger Calculating status...
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    Dec 10, 2012 1:05 AM (in response to Shilts9)

    http://news.cnet.com/8301-13579_3-57558151-37/australia-police-discourage-use-of -apple-maps-app-after-rescues/

     

    Apple, whenever you're ready to honour the genius that was Steve Jobbs, I will be most appreciative.

  • woodmeister50 Level 4 Level 4 (3,690 points)
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    Dec 10, 2012 1:38 AM (in response to ipadschoolhouse)

    ipadschoolhouse wrote:

     

    Has anyone tried the "Maps + Street View" app by Brainflash? The reviews look good but, even though it's only 69p, I'm very cautious about getting it. Once bitten twice shy now when it comes to maps on the ipad.

    At that price just get it and try it and don't get that candy bar

    you would otherwise have gotten.

     

    Not like your spending 10K for some CAD program.

  • ipadschoolhouse Calculating status...
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    Dec 10, 2012 2:54 AM (in response to woodmeister50)

    It all adds up.

  • Nogueira Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)
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    Dec 10, 2012 7:39 AM (in response to WolfGanger)

    Nowadays, Apple is like a skyrocket that has lost its engines and to fall is its only trajectory.

  • Chris CA Level 9 Level 9 (73,360 points)
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    Dec 10, 2012 10:22 AM (in response to WolfGanger)

    WolfGanger wrote:

     

    http://news.cnet.com/8301-13579_3-57558151-37/australia-police-discourage-use-of -apple-maps-app-after-rescues/

    Why are people going to remote locations with no water and not enough petrol?

    How did people get to Mildura before Apple Maps?

    How did they get "stranded" to where they had to "have walked long distances through dangerous terrain to get phone reception"?

    No rangers in this national park?

    Why aren't the roads marked better?

    Why isn't there water, cell service, petrol available (or at least signs posted stating it is not available in the next xx kilometers)?

     

    Perhaps the Aussie police should warn people going to that area that they should not enter until the government provides more cell towers and makes water, petrol & emergency call boxes available?

  • woodmeister50 Level 4 Level 4 (3,690 points)
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    Dec 10, 2012 10:26 AM (in response to Chris CA)

    Chris CA wrote:

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    Perhaps the Aussie police should warn people going to that area that they should not enter until the government provides more cell towers and makes water, petrol & emergency call boxes available?

    If there is no cell service, what good is an internet based nav app any way?

  • Chris CA Level 9 Level 9 (73,360 points)
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    Dec 10, 2012 10:35 AM (in response to woodmeister50)

    woodmeister50 wrote:
    If there is no cell service, what good is an internet based nav app any way?

    I give up.

    What good is it?

     

    Apple Maps app caches the data so an active internet connection is not needed (assuming you have already routed the drive).

  • duckdive Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)
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    Dec 10, 2012 1:24 PM (in response to Chris CA)

    Chris CA asks some fantastic questions and raises some very important points. But lets ignore most of them because they have absolutely nothing to do with the one very important fact.

     

    These people had an iPhone. They used the native map app which is now Apple Maps. It took them so far off target, that it became an incident the Australian police felt needed mentioning.

     

    Had these people been using ios5, they would have been using google maps. This would not have been a story. The reason it would not be a story is because Google Maps would have safely taken them to their destination in Mildura.

     

    The problem with Apple Maps in this instance is that it gave the user the impression it was a real Mapping Navigation App. The users were confident, that if Apple switched them from Google Maps to Apple Maps, that at the very least, it would be as reliable and as safe to use as Google Maps. Obviously, these people had read posts by apologists like Chris CA that have tried to pretend that Apple Maps useable as a reliable navigation app.

     

    Apple Maps is a toy and is not fit for reliable navigation purposes. Google Maps is an incredible navigation app and is reliable to the level of critical business use.

  • Chris CA Level 9 Level 9 (73,360 points)
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    Dec 10, 2012 1:48 PM (in response to duckdive)

    duckdive wrote:

     

    Obviously, these people had read posts by apologists like Chris CA that have tried to pretend that Apple Maps useable as a reliable navigation app.

    You are so one tracked in this discussion that you cannot even read a post for what it is.

    Unless a post specifcally states Apple maps is terrible, then you interpret is as saying it is fantastic.

     

    Where did I apologize or "pretend" that Apple maps is a reliable navigation app? Or vice-versa?

     

    The only reason you continue to post here is FUD.

  • etresoft Level 7 Level 7 (23,890 points)
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    Dec 10, 2012 2:39 PM (in response to duckdive)

    duckdive wrote:

     

    Had these people been using ios5, they would have been using google maps. This would not have been a story. The reason it would not be a story is because Google Maps would have safely taken them to their destination in Mildura.

    So will Apple Maps. The only reason this is an issue is because a handful of people searched for driving directions to "Mildura" and never bothered to double-check when the pavement ended. Had they actually provided an address, or even a postal code, it would have worked properly.

     

    This is definitely a bug in Apple's maps. If you search for a word like "Mildura" it will return the best match it can find given the information you have provided. In this special case, the best match happens to be the "Mildura Shire" administrative area, similar to a US county. Apple returns this area as a point located in the middle. That's wrong. Google does better because it usually includes the boundaries of such areas. Both Apple and Google will allow directions to such a centrepoint, which is also wrong. Imagine if you asked your GPS to take you to "New York" and it took you to 26 miles southwest of Utica. Technically that is correct, but useless. For the specific case of Mildura, that is what is happening.

     

    Apple knows about such problems and that is the basis for the apology. Technically, Apple Maps is working perfectly. Neither Australian police nor motorists should be expected to have to deal with these GIS details. They should be able to just enter "Mildura" and be taken to where they really want to go.

     

    Does this mean Apple Maps is a toy and is not fit for reliable navigation purposes? Of course not. To date, far more people have gotten themselves stranded and even killed by relying on Google Maps and other GPS devices. Apple knows it needs to do better than the competition because people expect Apple to be the best.

  • duckdive Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)
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    Dec 10, 2012 3:12 PM (in response to etresoft)

    Apple maps is a toy. Use it in your local neighborhood to find your way to familiar places.

     

    Etersoft talks in techno-talk. The tech people very impressed. People in the real world trying to find a destination using a reliable mapping app will choose Google Maps or a mapping service using the google engine.

     

    Tourists coming to Australia have now been officially warned by the Australian Police to not rely specifically on Apple Maps.

     

    User reports from around the world seem to echo the sentiments of the Australian Police. If you use Apple Maps, take with you a wench, spare tyre, camping equipment, a few days supply of baked beans and never forget the can opener.

  • William Kucharski Level 6 Level 6 (14,395 points)
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    Dec 11, 2012 12:00 AM (in response to duckdive)

    I would hope tourists would know better than to rely upon any GPS-based mapping service.

     

    These incidents happened long before Apple Maps:

     

    STRANDED FATHER'S HEROIC LAST HOURS / He crawled, climbed through 5-mile canyon seeking help for family

     

    Motorists rescued after 3 days stuck on remote Oregon road

     

    and this without a mapping app at all:

     

    Family Survives Week In a Snowbound Wild

  • imaybeawhile Level 2 Level 2 (400 points)
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    Dec 12, 2012 9:29 PM (in response to Shilts9)
  • RCGlass Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)
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    Dec 12, 2012 9:32 PM (in response to imaybeawhile)

    David Pogue's take:

     

    http://nyti.ms/U97MTk

  • gkinchina Calculating status...
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    Dec 13, 2012 4:53 AM (in response to RCGlass)

    Google Maps for IOS is fantastic. Just downloaded and used it - works beautifully and "it just works!" .

     

    It finds everything, correcly and is fast, vector based, has turn by turn - everything we lost is back and much better than before.

     

    Love it!

     

    Apple Maps - RIP

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